I need help i am horrible at this.

[Godsanvil]

I am trying to alter my giantman paladins Morning star. So far I got.

""A Long Handled heavy vultite spikestar with silver runes etched into the head.""

I donno if that's to long or what. I don't want a show or anything just a description.

It probably seems pretty plain because I am not very creative.

I have two items I can use for alters. a heavy iron boar hide and a rough-edged branch of illthorn.

I want it to seem big like a giantman would carry. Not like some elfs toy.

[rolfard]

May help to include which arktaki unless you left it out purposefully

[Godsanvil]

Arktaki?

[rolfard]

Deity

[Androidpk]

Deity

Do you even Gemstone?

[Viekn]

I want it to seem big like a giantman would carry. Not like some elfs toy.

I know this doesn't help specifically, but I would consider other adjectives other than just "long handled" and "heavy" to achieve this. Not sure yet what this could be, but I remember someone's alter being a "titanic" something or other to convey the size of the weapon. I thought that was pretty sweet. Thesaurus.com is your friend.

[Godsanvil]

Oh mine is Eonak

[Godsanvil]

Do you even Gemstone?

You missed the part where it said I needed help. Not smart ass comments to show everyone how clever you are. lol

[Godsanvil]

I know this doesn't help specifically, but I would consider other adjectives other than just "long handled" and "heavy" to achieve this. Not sure yet what this could be, but I remember someone's alter being a "titanic" something or other to convey the size of the weapon. I thought that was pretty sweet. Thesaurus.com is your friend.

A long handled vultite spikestar with a massive battered head.
Hows that?
Could you use "Bear Clan" in the description for the T'Kirem Bear Clan?

[Taernath]

A long handled vultite spikestar with a massive battered head.
Hows that?
Could you use "Bear Clan" in the description for the T'Kirem Bear Clan?

You probably could. It might be better to go more subtle and just use whatever their symbology is (something bear related no doubt).

[Ososis]

You probably could. It might be better to go more subtle and just use whatever their symbology is (something bear related no doubt).

Common misconception, its actually a cockatoo.

[Viekn]

A long handled vultite spikestar with a massive battered head.
Hows that?
Could you use "Bear Clan" in the description for the T'Kirem Bear Clan?

So a lot of it depends on what you're going for. If you're character worships Eonak, do you want the whole weapon to be forged of metal? According to wikipedia, most morningstars retained a wooden shaft. If that's the case, you could go for something like "a massive oak-shafted iron spikestar". The "massive" and "iron" adjectives, to me at least, signify that it is large and heavy, something that only a giantman should be able to wield. Now you say you didn't want a show. Personally, I like shows. And I literally never actually show my stuff to anyone, but for me at least, it's a nice way to round out a piece and give it more detail than you could ever hope to include in the actual description of the item. Shows help the item mean more to me, not necessarily to others. In this case, you might include in the show that the oak shaft looks more like an actual tree trunk, giving further evidence that it's a giant weapon that would literally pulverize anything on the receiving end other than a stone giant or something of that nature. But if you prefer it to be all metal, which might be more in line with Eonak, then you might need to do something different.

[Ososis]

A massive eonake spikestar deeply etched with T'Kirem runes

Maybe? I don't know. I am not good at this either.

[Viekn]

A massive eonake spikestar deeply etched with T'Kirem runes

Maybe? I don't know. I am not good at this either.

Is it eonake already though? If not, probably can't do that. Also, something I've never been good at, is deciphering whether to use "A massive eonake spikestar deeply etched with T'Kirem runes" OR "a T'Kirem runed massive eonake spikestar". I usually prefer the latter, only because I've never been to good with using the long form of alters.

[Roblar]

Seems from his original post it is vultite.

So he can't use "iron" from your earlier idea either, unless the weapon inspects as iron. He can leave the metal out entirely if he's not happy with vultite.

[Viekn]

Yep. Godsanvil, could we get more info on the current weapon? What is looks like, what it inspects as?

[Ososis]

A big fuck-off stick with vultite dick punchers.

[Godsanvil]

A massive eonake spikestar deeply etched with T'Kirem runes

Maybe? I don't know. I am not good at this either.

That sounds great. If T'Kirem has runes can giantmen write? lol

[Godsanvil]

Yep. Godsanvil, could we get more info on the current weapon? What is looks like, what it inspects as?
a linden-hafted pale vultite spikestar
7x perfect donno if that matters

[Ardenwulf]

Just something to keep in mind, you'll need a Giantman merchant to use iron boar hide.

Howabout:

a scar-bound jagged spikestar topped with an iron boar skull

[Godsanvil]

Is it eonake already though? If not, probably can't do that. Also, something I've never been good at, is deciphering whether to use "A massive eonake spikestar deeply etched with T'Kirem runes" OR "a T'Kirem runed massive eonake spikestar". I usually prefer the latter, only because I've never been to good with using the long form of alters.

No but maybe he ment Eonak so. A massive Eonak spikestar deeply etched with T'Kirem runes.

Can you use that "an Eonak spikestar?"

[Tisket]

No but maybe he ment Eonak so. A massive Eonak spikestar deeply etched with T'Kirem runes.

Can you use that "an Eonak spikestar?"

I'm confused man. Is it vultite or not? A merchant won't change the base metal of an item.

edit: oh the deity? That phrasing is confusing. It would almost seem you were trying to fool someone into thinking it was eonake metal vs eonak-themed.

[Godsanvil]

I'm confused man. Is it vultite or not? A merchant won't change the base metal of an item.

edit: oh the deity? That phrasing is confusing. It would almost seem you were trying to fool someone into thinking it was eonake metal vs eonak-themed.


No that's my Deity not trying to fool anyone....

[Tisket]

No that's my Deity not trying to fool anyone....

I'm not saying you are. An "Eonak spikestar" won't get merchant approval. Good luck with that.

[Godsanvil]

I'm not saying you are. An "Eonak spikestar" won't get merchant approval. Good luck with that.
"It would almost seem you were trying to fool someone into thinking it was eonake metal vs eonak-themed. "
Pretty much exactly what you said... but okay.

[Ardenwulf]

"It would almost seem you were trying to fool someone into thinking it was eonake metal vs eonak-themed. "
Pretty much exactly what you said... but okay.

Don't even bother; some people here have a perverse fascination with being difficult. Probably ignored as children.

My username is my name in game, feel free to message me if you want to talk alter ideas sometime.

[Ososis]

A giant-wrought spike star deeply etched with the visage if Eonak

[time4fun]

No that's my Deity not trying to fool anyone....

Tisket is being overly bitchy right now, but they are correct. You're highly unlikely to get approval for that. Sorry!

[kcostell]

A good way around that is to show, not tell. Instead of having "Eonak" mentioned explicitly in the description, have something that symbolizes Eonak (e.g. an anvil mark). Similarly, if they get snarky about "T'Kirem runes" ("but how would an adventurer know That it's T'Kirem?", work a bear into the description instead.

[Tisket]

"It would almost seem you were trying to fool someone into thinking it was eonake metal vs eonak-themed. "
Pretty much exactly what you said... but okay.

I wasn't calling you a thief...I was calling you stupid. Two entirely different things. The merchants won't give you what you want because it might seem like an attempt at deception EVEN IF IT'S NOT YOUR INTENT.

Jesus, people are dense.

[Tisket]

Tisket is being overly bitchy right now, but they are correct. You're highly unlikely to get approval for that. Sorry!

I was actually trying to be helpful.

Stop being as stupid as the OP.

[Ardenwulf]

I was actually trying to be helpful.

Stop being as stupid as the OP.

Yeah, this is super helpful:


I'm confused man. Is it vultite or not? A merchant won't change the base metal of an item.

edit: oh the deity? That phrasing is confusing. It would almost seem you were trying to fool someone into thinking it was eonake metal vs eonak-themed.


No that's my Deity not trying to fool anyone....


I'm not saying you are. An "Eonak spikestar" won't get merchant approval. Good luck with that.

The guy is just asking for help with an alter idea, for fuck's sake. Give him a break.

[Tisket]

This thread is rife with stupid cunts.

[Ardenwulf]

This thread is rife with stupid cunts.

Yeah, I'm going to take my own advice and let this go.

Again, feel free to PM me for alter help -- I love designing them and would be glad to help you come up with something that fits your taste!

[Tisket]

The guy is just asking for help with an alter idea, for fuck's sake. Give him a break.

What part of "they won't give you what you want because of such and such" is not being helpful?

[Tisket]

Oh and it's been a long time since I got gray rep from anyone. Poor little sensitive twat.

[time4fun]

What part of "they won't give you what you want because of such and such" is not being helpful?

I hope that wasn't my rep.

I definitely meant it to be negative rep.

Also, when the meth withdrawal finally ends and you're out of psycho mode, you should read through your posts to understand why everyone thinks you're an asshole right now.

[Tisket]

I hope that wasn't my rep.

I definitely meant it to be negative rep.

Also, when the meth withdrawal finally ends and you're out of psycho mode, you should read through your posts to understand why everyone thinks you're an asshole right now.

I don't mind being considered an asshole...hello, have you met me? However, in this instance, I really wasn't trying to be anything but helpful with my first couple of posts. It's not my fault that you are such a sensitive flower that even my most benign posts make you cry.

[Godsanvil]

A good way around that is to show, not tell. Instead of having "Eonak" mentioned explicitly in the description, have something that symbolizes Eonak (e.g. an anvil mark). Similarly, if they get snarky about "T'Kirem runes" ("but how would an adventurer know That it's T'Kirem?", work a bear into the description instead.

Thanks that's a good idea with the Anvil.

[Godsanvil]

Tisket is being overly bitchy right now, but they are correct. You're highly unlikely to get approval for that. Sorry!
Yeah I suspected that about Eonak. I will probably go with something pretty simple. Leave out the Eonak and T'Kirem parts.

[Viekn]

Yeah I suspected that about Eonak. I will probably go with something pretty simple. Leave out the Eonak and T'Kirem parts.

But don't feel rushed either. Nothing sucks more than rushing in to an alter on a cherished item only not to like it as much anymore after you altered it. If it means a lot to you, let the idea simmer a bit. And although I'd like to be original all the time, sometimes I comb through player shops and old PC auctions and piece together parts of alters others have done to make something that's more or less my own. I've been meaning to chime back in with more suggestions but have been busy the past couple days.

[Luscinia]

That sounds great. If T'Kirem has runes can giantmen write? lol

Among the Giantmen clans, only the Grot'karesh have their own runic writing system, known as "Saramar" (which is definitely approved since it appears on official items, there was one at the recent auction: "a pale polar bear fur greatcloak clasped with a Saramar rune-carved steel chain"). Other clans sometimes use it to mark weapons and shields so you can use that if you want the runes.

[Godsanvil]

Among the Giantmen clans, only the Grot'karesh have their own runic writing system, known as "Saramar" (which is definitely approved since it appears on official items, there was one at the recent auction: "a pale polar bear fur greatcloak clasped with a Saramar rune-carved steel chain"). Other clans sometimes use it to mark weapons and shields so you can use that if you want the runes.
Thanks for the info that's good to know. Good to know at least some Giantmen could write also lol.