Scroll portfolio

[Pyro]

T5 Find at Duskruin - a suede scroll-stamped folio

https://gswiki.play.net/Scroll_portfolio

Will accept cash offers at $10/per. Will update this auction once per day. Sale will go once, twice, sold! PM me for any further inquiries, including buyout offers.

MB: 60m
CB: SOLD to Crime on a very generous buyout offer

>look folio
Two large pieces of vellum are stitched together along one edge, providing a crude and very thin portfolio. A tarnished silver gem setting has been centered on the front cover of the portfolio, though it is empty. Scribbled on the back cover is the list, "Pearl, Black Diamond, Pale Amber, Blue Sapphire, Pink Tourmaline". All but "Pink Tourmaline" have been crossed out.
The folio is opened to the first page.
It takes you a moment to focus on the scroll-stamped folio.
The scroll-stamped folio is blank.

>put scr in folio
You put a yellowed scroll in your scroll-stamped folio.

>look in folio
Two large pieces of vellum are stitched together along one edge, providing a crude and very thin portfolio. A tarnished silver gem setting has been centered on the front cover of the portfolio, though it is empty. Scribbled on the back cover is the list, "Pearl, Black Diamond, Pale Amber, Blue Sapphire, Pink Tourmaline". All but "Pink Tourmaline" have been crossed out.
The folio is opened past the last page. There is a yellowed scroll inside.

>close folio
You close a suede scroll-stamped folio.

>take dia
You remove a pale metallic silver mistvein diamond from in your spidersilk backpack.
>put dia in folio
>
You place your diamond into the setting on your scroll-stamped folio, and a bright blue glow surrounds the scroll-stamped folio briefly, accompanied by a noisy hissing. Suddenly a loud *CRACK* sounds from the scroll-stamped folio and you notice that the diamond has shattered into a small pile of dust. A strong breeze kicks up, flipping the cover of the scroll-stamped folio open, and scattering the diamond dust into the wind.

>open folio
You open a suede scroll-stamped folio.
>look in folio
Two large pieces of vellum are stitched together along one edge, providing a crude and very thin portfolio. A tarnished silver gem setting has been centered on the front cover of the portfolio, though it is empty. Scribbled on the back cover is the list, "Pearl, Black Diamond, Pale Amber, Blue Sapphire, Pink Tourmaline". All but "Pink Tourmaline" have been crossed out.
The folio is opened past the last page. There appears to be space for another page.
>flip folio
You flip your scroll-stamped folio to page one.
>look in folio
Two large pieces of vellum are stitched together along one edge, providing a crude and very thin portfolio. A tarnished silver gem setting has been centered on the front cover of the portfolio, though it is empty. Scribbled on the back cover is the list, "Pearl, Black Diamond, Pale Amber, Blue Sapphire, Pink Tourmaline". All but "Pink Tourmaline" have been crossed out.
The folio is opened to the first page.
It takes you a moment to focus on the scroll-stamped folio.
There are 2 spells inscribed on the scroll-stamped folio.
>read folio
It takes you a moment to focus on the scroll-stamped folio.
On the scroll-stamped folio you see

2 unreadable spells

[Silky Fyne]

getting it altered into a trapper keeper isn't too OOC is it?

hehe

[Crime]

60

[Methais]

getting it altered into a trapper keeper isn't too OOC is it?

hehe

Get it altered into a binder full of women.

[myriad]

Would someone explain why this is worth so much? I read the wiki, but not quite sure I understand. Is it because you don't have to carry scrolls around, and because it basically lets you use the input spells infinitely whereas scrolls degrade?

[macgyver]

Would someone explain why this is worth so much? I read the wiki, but not quite sure I understand. Is it because you don't have to carry scrolls around, and because it basically lets you use the input spells infinitely whereas scrolls degrade?

From the way it's being said; through the ridiculously poor wording. You can effectively use a rare spell found on a scroll forever using this thing; provided you have the diamonds. So I presume a warrior could masquerade around as a cleric permanently with this item and a scroll of raise dead or variant.

[Maerit]

Would someone explain why this is worth so much? I read the wiki, but not quite sure I understand. Is it because you don't have to carry scrolls around, and because it basically lets you use the input spells infinitely whereas scrolls degrade?

It's the last paragraph at the bottom of the wiki page...



Mechanical Benefit

Besides obviously not having to carry as many scrolls around since you can put up to your 10 most used spells in the portfolio the main mechanical benefit is it prolonging the life of your infused scrolls since you don't actually invoke the spells off the scrolls transferred from it does not lower the value of the scroll like invoking the spells would. And since how many charges you'll be able to get out of an infused scroll is tied to its value this increases the number of charges you can infuse a scroll for over its life.

[myriad]

It's the last paragraph at the bottom of the wiki page...

I read that, but it's not exactly the pinnacle of clear writing. For example, the paragraph says, "This increases the number of charges you can infuse a scroll for over its life," whereas the explanation seems to instead indicate that the charges just aren't being diminished.

[Maerit]

My understanding is that it will "consume" the charges on the scroll of the spell - up to 20 charges. Sorcerers can unlock scrolls to hold as much as 25 charges with a Dikar'fyn rune (which I think is uncommon, but exists). Most sorcerers just have quiss'fyn for 20 charges.

Once you max out the charges of a spell on the portfolio, you can keep infusing a scroll with the same spell, and never have to invoke the scroll. So you drain the charges to recharge your portfolio, then infuse the scroll, and the cost of invoking the spell is never deducted from the value of the scroll, which can greatly (for lower level spells) or decently (for higher level spells) improve the life of a single scroll.

For rare spells, that's very handy. Spells like 606, 613, 318, and such, which are costly in general, can become pretty easy to access because your "charging" scroll will be able to be recharged quite easily for a longer time. That's the theory at least.

[myriad]

So you drain a scroll to refill the portfolio, then use the portfolio to recharge a scroll, except recharging the scroll with the portfolio doesn't diminish the scroll's life? I think I'm still not understanding you. Seems to me that you would still have to carry scrolls around, too, if that's how you're using it.

[Crime]

It is purely the mechanical benefit of organizing spells. 10.

[Allereli]

It is purely the mechanical benefit of organizing spells. 10.

no. You don't lose the scroll value lost by invoking.

[Raelee]

So you drain a scroll to refill the portfolio, then use the portfolio to recharge a scroll, except recharging the scroll with the portfolio doesn't diminish the scroll's life? I think I'm still not understanding you. Seems to me that you would still have to carry scrolls around, too, if that's how you're using it.

I own one of these. Let me try to clarify.

You do not use the portfolio to recharge the scroll. That's not what it does.

You recharge the scroll via normal, sorcerous means. Then... transfer charges off of the scroll to the portfolio. Then, you can recharge the scroll normally again. But since you invoke off the portfolio and never the scroll itself, the scrolls never degrade.

[Maerit]

So you drain a scroll to refill the portfolio, then use the portfolio to recharge a scroll, except recharging the scroll with the portfolio doesn't diminish the scroll's life? I think I'm still not understanding you. Seems to me that you would still have to carry scrolls around, too, if that's how you're using it.

No, you don't use the portfolio to recharge a scroll at all (not even an option). You invoke and cast spells from your portfolio. You use 714 and normal scroll infusion process to then recharge your scroll and put it in the locker until you need to put more charges on the portfolio.

Here's the break-down:

1. You can use a spell on the portfolio until the charges run out completely, if you want, and not lose the spell from a scroll. Unlike with a scroll, you have to make sure you recharge it before casting all of the 20 charges because then the spell will vanish from the scroll and you won't have access to that spell anymore.

2. You drain charges from scrolls - including locked scrolls that can't be recharged - and add them to the existing charges on the portfolio.

3. You can avoid reducing the value of unlocked / infuseable scrolls by avoiding ever invoking the scroll directly.

4. You can have 10 of your favorite or most prized spells saved with 20 charges each on a single portfolio.

[macgyver]

No, you don't use the portfolio to recharge a scroll at all (not even an option). You invoke and cast spells from your portfolio. You use 714 and normal scroll infusion process to then recharge your scroll and put it in the locker until you need to put more charges on the portfolio.

Here's the break-down:

1. You can use a spell on the portfolio until the charges run out completely, if you want, and not lose the spell from a scroll. Unlike with a scroll, you have to make sure you recharge it before casting all of the 20 charges because then the spell will vanish from the scroll and you won't have access to that spell anymore.

2. You drain charges from scrolls - including locked scrolls that can't be recharged - and add them to the existing charges on the portfolio.

3. You can avoid reducing the value of unlocked / infuseable scrolls by avoiding ever invoking the scroll directly.

4. You can have 10 of your favorite or most prized spells saved with 20 charges each on a single portfolio.

Like I said, as long as you have this, you're a cleric-paladin-wizard-sorcerer warrior as long as you can find said spell on scroll and train scroll use. It's extremely OP, especially for those classes that don't have their spells define them (i.e roge/warrior)

[Fromer]

65m

[macgyver]

Things worth at least 100m imho. Just can't bid that now since I'm saving most of my ammo to troll the big year end auction.

[Geijon Khyree]

For a portfolio meant to write scrolls in it sure does seem like a bigger time sink for the QOL it was designed to help. ;)

[Allereli]

For a portfolio meant to write scrolls in it sure does seem like a bigger time sink for the QOL it was designed to help. ;)

it doesn't take that long to maintain if you're organized about it, but setting it up can be a big pain in the ass. I've made a request on the officials to let odeir'cos detect it, which would help greatly. I keep an excel document to keep track of how many charges of each spell it has, but that only accounts for the spells I put on it and not the ones it came with.

That said, it's an awesome item and if the auction weren't coming up I'd be bidding.

[Nordred]

Surprised the price on this isn't higher, when I was took few offers on mine awhile back I had one upwards of 120 mil. Great item for old warriors and rogues.

[Crime]

It's a catch 22. Nobody wants to spend silvers before the auction, which what the seller wants silvers for.

Buyers market, but barely as this is a very nice item :)

[Goat]

Scrolls lose value when infused OR invoked*. As I understand it, this item eliminates the invoke cost, but not the infuse cost.

See the wiki (https://gswiki.play.net/Scroll_Infusion_(714)#Infuse_Costs) for examples on infuse cost and invoke cost. Invoke cost is set by spell level. Infuse cost is set by a per-spell lookup table, "better" spells having higher cost than "worse" ones. This portfolio will roughly double the lifetime of a 503 scroll, but will only increase the lifetime of a 318 scroll by about 25%.


* There's a minor exception that doesn't really change my point. Read the wiki if you want every last detail.

[Pyro]

THIS AUCTION IS NOW CLOSED!

This item is being sold, pending pickup, on a generous buyout offer by Crime. I will not disclose the offer made, so please, do not ask. If Crime wishes to say what he offered, that is his prerogative.

[macgyver]

THIS AUCTION IS NOW CLOSED!

This item is being sold, pending pickup, on a generous buyout offer by Crime. I will not disclose the offer made, so please, do not ask. If Crime wishes to say what he offered, that is his prerogative.

I rock.

[Wrathbringer]

I'm retarded.

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[Goat]

Crime, how much do you pay??

[Crime]

A lot...

[Pyro]

Item has been delivered!

Thanks for looking!

[crb]

It is an okay item, it essentially doubles the effective uses any scroll has, and allows you to organize a little bit and carry less.

[Crime]

It's that and a touch more.

Some people were saying they'd like to be able to track the number of charges left in the folio per spell.

What it does is actually remove the need to track the charges.

The source scrolls, kept wherever (perhaps a codex), ideally is unlocked and charged to 25, and then transferred to the folio at 20 charges leaving 5 on the source scroll. You now have a folio where it doesn't matter if you cast the last charge because you just go back to the source, infuse it, and then transfer charges to the folio again. Rinse repeat.

Some may want to track their source scroll usage, especially for very rare scrolls, but for folks like me who prefer to track less it is ideal for preserving one's favorite scrolls as long as possible without a spreadsheet.

[Allereli]

The source scrolls, kept wherever (perhaps a codex), ideally is unlocked and charged to 25, and then transferred to the folio at 20 charges leaving 5 on the source scroll. You now have a folio where it doesn't matter if you cast the last charge because you just go back to the source, infuse it, and then transfer charges to the folio again. Rinse repeat.

... You must have access to an unlimited dikar'fyn item. If not, think about that a little more. Also, you must not realize how the spells transfer.

[macgyver]

... You must have access to an unlimited dikar'fyn item. If not, think about that a little more. Also, you must not realize how the spells transfer.

Why is this so hard to figure out?! Yes or no, if you find a rare scroll of ressurrection can you use it forever using this folio or not?

[crb]

Why is this so hard to figure out?! Yes or no, if you find a rare scroll of ressurrection can you use it forever using this folio or not?

You can't.

Every time you do one of two actions you remove capacity from a scroll.

A. invoke a spell
B. infuse a spell.

In the past we've called this spinning the spells off a scroll. So you have a scroll with 4 annoying spells on it and heroism. Your portfolio can take heroism. So you charge up the scroll, unlocking the spells in order to maximize scroll capacity. You then transfer heroism charges off, infuse again, transfer for heroism charges off, infuse again, transfer more heroism charges off, infuse again. You can drain your scroll of capacity only on heroism and only on infusing, banking all the invokes. This has doubled the total uses of that spell off the scroll you would have otherwise had under a normal scroll infusion regime. But it is just a doubling, it isn't permanence.

To point, GMs don't want us to be able to use scrolls in perpetuity. I once had that ability with my scroll book (which functions differently), and they nerfed it.

[Viekn]

You can't.

Every time you do one of two actions you remove capacity from a scroll.

A. invoke a spell
B. infuse a spell.

In the past we've called this spinning the spells off a scroll. So you have a scroll with 4 annoying spells on it and heroism. Your portfolio can take heroism. So you charge up the scroll, unlocking the spells in order to maximize scroll capacity. You then transfer heroism charges off, infuse again, transfer for heroism charges off, infuse again, transfer more heroism charges off, infuse again. You can drain your scroll of capacity only on heroism and only on infusing, banking all the invokes. This has doubled the total uses of that spell off the scroll you would have otherwise had under a normal scroll infusion regime. But it is just a doubling, it isn't permanence.

To point, GMs don't want us to be able to use scrolls in perpetuity. I once had that ability with my scroll book (which functions differently), and they nerfed it.

But to that point, assuming you're not trying to run around rezzing people and trying to be like a cleric, I'm guessing you could make a raise dead scroll last a pretty damn long time with a portfolio? For the most part, clerics are available. If you only used your portfolio with raise dead for the times a cleric isn't available, it should last a good long while. I'd almost bet by the time you used up the raise dead charges, you might then be able to locate another raise dead scroll, and be able to start the process all over again once your first one finally ran out of charges.

[myriad]

On a side note, do you get EXP for raising with a scroll?

[Androidpk]

dikar'fyn

Such vulgarism

[Fallen]

On a side note, do you get EXP for raising with a scroll?

No.

[Crime]

When you charge a scroll that has 1 good and x unwanted spells does it take extra effort to charge it, or is it worth expending the unwanted spells from the scroll first?

[Viekn]

When you charge a scroll that has 1 good and x unwanted spells does it take extra effort to charge it, or is it worth expending the unwanted spells from the scroll first?

Doesn't work that way, because once you invoke one of the other unwanted spells on the scroll, you've locked the scroll and can't then add charges to the spell you want.

[myriad]

Doesn't work that way, because once you invoke one of the other unwanted spells on the scroll, you've locked the scroll and can't then add charges to the spell you want.

The rules surrounding scrolls are insanely complex. Someone needs to put together a clearly-written, step-by-step guide.

[Fallen]

When you charge a scroll that has 1 good and x unwanted spells does it take extra effort to charge it, or is it worth expending the unwanted spells from the scroll first?

There are several different tactics one could use. I don't know how the scroll portfolios alter the picture, but you can't unlock a scroll once it has been invoked. You'd either want to target the wanted spell specifically if possible using the tiered rune system, target the unwanted spells to unlock them for a lesser amount of charges, or gamble and hope you get lucky and only unlock the spell in question using the highest rune you have (likely quiss'fyn).

[Fallen]

The rules surrounding scrolls are insanely complex. Someone needs to put together a clearly-written, step-by-step guide.

This has definitely been done in lecture form. I'd be surprised is there isn't a guide beyond Mekthros' initial work up on the wiki somewhere.

That being said, Mekthros' guide (with tweaks approved by Estild) is a great place to start: https://gswiki.play.net/Scroll_Infusion_Extended_Documentation

[Raelee]

When you charge a scroll that has 1 good and x unwanted spells does it take extra effort to charge it, or is it worth expending the unwanted spells from the scroll first?


There are several different tactics one could use. I don't know how the scroll portfolios alter the picture, but you can't unlock a scroll once it has been invoked. You'd either want to target the wanted spell specifically if possible using the tiered rune system, target the unwanted spells to unlock them for a lesser amount of charges, or gamble and hope you get lucky and only unlock the spell in question using the highest rune you have (likely quiss'fyn).

The only scenario where you may need to invoke the unwanted spells is in your initial load of the portfolio.

When you pull spells from a scroll to put them in a book, you can't target them. It just pulls them from the top down. So... if you have a scroll with 101, 103 and 215, for example. And, you want 215 in your portfolio... but you only have one slot left...

... it'll pull the 101, not the 215. So if you are going to invoke 101 and 103 to get them out of the way so you can pull 215, you need to make sure a sorcerer unlocks the scroll FIRST. (Or instead of invoking, you can let it pull the first two spells and just clean them out of the book. Eventually you'll get the 215... just at the expense of a few more gems.)

Once you have all 10 slots filled, though... it'll only pull those spells off of scrolls and ignore other spells on them.

[Fallen]

Thanks for that, Raelee. I'd definitely get my hands on one of these guys if I start playing again. Sounds like they add even more nuance to Scroll Infusion.

[Crime]

Doesn't work that way, because once you invoke one of the other unwanted spells on the scroll, you've locked the scroll and can't then add charges to the spell you want.

That's good to know! Cast a spell once from a scroll once an it is ruined for a folio?

If you charge a scroll first and then cast, is it infusible again?

It looks like Raelee answered this, yes "unlock first and scrolls remain chargeable".

Ugh...

[Raelee]

That's good to know! Cast a spell once from a scroll once an it is ruined for a folio?

If you charge a scroll first and then cast, is it infusible again?

Ugh...

Just make sure a scroll is unlocked by a sorcerer before you ever invoke from it. Once a scroll has been unlocked... you can cast from it.

... but if you don't, it's not the end of the world. You can still transfer charges to the portfolio. You just lock it from recharging.

[Crime]

Just make sure a scroll is unlocked by a sorcerer before you ever invoke from it. Once a scroll has been unlocked... you can cast from it.

... but if you don't, it's not the end of the world. You can still transfer charges to the portfolio. You just lock it from recharging.

I've been ruining scrolls for years arghhh!!!

[Velfi]

I've been ruining scrolls for years arghhh!!!

http://i.imgur.com/WTRu7pc.gif

[Nordred]

Hit me up in game Crime if you want more details about it, got a good selection of scrolls good for us rogues too.

[macgyver]

Someone teach Crime how 2 play before he totally wastes what he just bought for a gazillion silvers.

[Crime]

Someone teach Crime how 2 play before he totally wastes what he just bought for a gazillion silvers.

Scrolls are a waste of time!

[Crime]

Truth be told, the codex and folio help scroll use, but the game mechanics around their use is awkward.

One thing I'd like to see is their use extended to people who can cast 420.

Combine scroll use and magic item creation.