Explosions in NY and NJ

[Androidpk]

A couple of IED's have exploded today. Not sure if they're related but it does seem likely.

[Androidpk]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/pipe-bomb-explodes-marines-charity-race-n-boardwalk-article-1.2796058

http://www.wlox.com/story/33121184/ny-firefighters-at-scene-of-explosion-25-injured

[Tisket]

Fuckers.

[Tgo01]

I'm not saying it was Muslims.

I'm just saying chances are great it was Muslims.

[Androidpk]

I'm not saying it was Muslims.

I'm just saying chances are great it was Muslims.

I'm hearing it was the work of males. When will they stop killing people?

[Fallen]

Yeah not good. They just found an improvised pressure cooker explosive. Luckily, no one has died.


A device at a second location in Chelsea appears to be a pressure cooker with dark colored wiring coming out of the top center of the device. The device, mentioned earlier by police, is connected by silver duct tape to a small dark colored device attached to the outside of the pressure cooker, according to multiple local and federal law enforcement officials.

None of the officials would say at this point what was inside the pressure cooker.

[Parkbandit]

Mayor de Blasio, asked by a reporter whether the blast was terror-related, said, “At this moment, we do not see a link to terrorism.” He added, “There was also no specific evidence of a connection” to the pipe bomb that detonated earlier in the day in New Jersey.

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/14/wtf_2.jpg

[Androidpk]

Mayor de Blasio, asked by a reporter whether the blast was terror-related, said, “At this moment, we do not see a link to terrorism.” He added, “There was also no specific evidence of a connection” to the pipe bomb that detonated earlier in the day in New Jersey.

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/14/wtf_2.jpg



Yeah, waiting for evidence is for suckers!

[Parkbandit]

Yeah, waiting for evidence is for suckers!

Wouldn't you classify ANY IED as a terrorist attack?

What other purpose is an IED used for.. other than to terrorize the public?

[Androidpk]

Just because someone uses an explosive doesn't mean it's an act of terrorism. Is it likely? Sure, but let's not jump the gun here.

[Parkbandit]

Just because someone uses an explosive doesn't mean it's an act of terrorism. Is it likely? Sure, but let's not jump the gun here.

Please, enlighten us all on the non-terrorist uses of a pipe bomb and a pressure cooker bomb.

[Wrathbringer]

Has to be a political agenda behind it to be labeled terrorism. Just using explosives against innocent people isn't enough.

[Parkbandit]

Has to be a political agenda behind it to be labeled terrorism. Just using explosives against innocent people isn't enough.

What reason would an individual use a pipe bomb or a pressure cooker bomb that didn't have some sort of agenda behind it?

[Parkbandit]

Also, de Blasio said it was "intentional" prior to saying there was no terrorism connection... just so Androidpk can't use the "it might have been an accident" bullshit excuse.

[Gnomad]

What reason would an individual use a pipe bomb or a pressure cooker bomb that didn't have some sort of agenda behind it?

An agenda doesn't have to be terrorism. Insurance fraud, just trying to blow up a specific person/their property, etc. Terrorism implies that the goal of the bomb is to incite terror.

That doesn't mean that a DA couldn't make a terrorism charge stick even if that wasn't the intent, mind you.

[Wrathbringer]

What reason would an individual use a pipe bomb or a pressure cooker bomb that didn't have some sort of agenda behind it?

The agenda must be political to technically be terrorism. I see your point, though, but it could just be random violence.

[Androidpk]

The agenda must be political to technically be terrorism. I see your point, though, but it could just be random violence.

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[time4fun]

An agenda doesn't have to be terrorism. Insurance fraud, just trying to blow up a specific person/their property, etc. Terrorism implies that the goal of the bomb is to incite terror.

That doesn't mean that a DA couldn't make a terrorism charge stick even if that wasn't the intent, mind you.

The other thing terrorism has is at least one group claiming responsibility. IS has been a little slower to do this than has traditionally been the case with terrorist organizations, but until someone claims responsibility, terrorism is an unlikely motivation.

[Warriorbird]

As for the explosion in Charlottesville there's been a division of theories between terrorism, crime (since it damaged Internet traffic), and total accident.

[Whirlin]

So, splitting hairs on terms... This is clearly an act of terror as any publicly detonated explosive device should be.

However, the colloquialism now is that terrorism is classified as attacks from a known terrorist organization?

[Androidpk]

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w173/cacunn/Beating-a-dead-horse.gif

[Ardwen]

Apparently while you are all beating off.... ISIS claimed responsibility for an attack at the mall of america

[time4fun]

Apparently while you are all beating off.... ISIS claimed responsibility for an attack at the mall of america

That's a strange thing to claim responsibility for right now.

[Gsgeek]

Wasnt the mall of america, was the mall in a city north of it, st. cloud. Some nut case decided to start stabbing people in the name of islam before some off duty cop capped his ass. God bless the police.

Link to story
http://wjon.com/report-is-claims-responsibility-for-st-cloud-mall-attack/

[Jeril]

The other thing terrorism has is at least one group claiming responsibility. IS has been a little slower to do this than has traditionally been the case with terrorist organizations, but until someone claims responsibility, terrorism is an unlikely motivation.

So, if a group doesn't claim responsibility for their actions then they are somehow not committing terrorism? How does that make any sense....

[Gelston]

I think some of you are getting the definition of terrorism a little off... Sure, most violent crimes do cause terror, but terrorism usually has a point behind it... Generally to change government or social policies. Some people call terrorist freedom fighters. you guys are looking at the "terror" part a little too generally. Terror is the tool, the attacks are how they gain the tool. Terror itself isn't the goal.

Basically, if the guy was doing the explosives purely to cause death, injury, or (as odd as it sounds) to spread terror, and that was the end goal... It isn't terrorism. However, if he had a cause and the terror caused is only used as a tool, whether it was to further the goals of Islamic extremism or whatever, then it is terrorism.

It doesn't require a "group" though. An individual is well able to be a terrorist by himself or herself.

[Tgo01]

The other thing terrorism has is at least one group claiming responsibility.

Well shit, guess the Oklahoma City bombing wasn't an act of terrorism after all, no group claimed responsibility for that one.

We can cross Timothy McVeigh off the list of terrorists in the US. Damn, that list is looking more and more Muslim filled by the day.

[Gelston]

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3CPQb6tVUXMJ:nybomber.tumblr.com/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

So, possibly gay terrorist. Might be a fake though. (This would make it a terrorism if that is true though.)

[Warriorbird]

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3CPQb6tVUXMJ:nybomber.tumblr.com/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

So, possibly gay terrorist. Might be a fake though. (This would make it a terrorism if that is true though.)

Manifesto by person claiming responsibility for Chelsea attack is determined not to be credible

http://pix11.com/2016/09/18/read-the-entire-manifesto-by-person-claiming-responsibility-for-chelsea-explosion-im-the-ny-bomber/

Hopefully they get whoever is responsible soon.

[Gelston]

Sadly.


READ IT: Manifesto by person claiming responsibility for Chelsea attack is determined not to be credible

http://pix11.com/2016/09/18/read-the-entire-manifesto-by-person-claiming-responsibility-for-chelsea-explosion-im-the-ny-bomber/

I wasn't sure if it was or not. And even it it isn't, it could be a troll or not. I was going with someone who put the pieces together and was trolling the gay community.

... linked to a person in North Carolina.

Probably the Governor.

[Androidpk]

Another incident in New Jersey at a train station involving a backpack and 5 devices inside of it.

A New Jersey mayor says one of five devices found in a backpack near a train station has exploded while a bomb squad robot was attempting to disarm it.
Elizabeth, N.J., mayor Christian Bollwage said that the device exploded shortly after 12:30 a.m. ET Monday. The FBI was leading the investigation and working to disarm the other four devices.
There were no reports of injuries. Bollwage said to expect more detonations.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/jersey-mayor-says-one-5-devices-found-train-054914561.html?ref=gs

[Jarvan]

So, splitting hairs on terms... This is clearly an act of terror as any publicly detonated explosive device should be.

However, the colloquialism now is that terrorism is classified as attacks from a known terrorist organization?

No.. Terrorism is defined as whatever does not look bad for Obama.

[Gelston]

The FBI is asking for assistance in locating Ahmad Khan Rahami, who is wanted for questioning in connection with an explosion that occurred on September 17, 2016, at approximately 8:30 p.m. in the vicinity of 135 West 23rd Street in New York, New York.

If you have any information concerning this case, please contact the FBI's toll-free tipline at 1-800-CALL-FBI (1-800-225-5324), your local FBI office, or the nearest American Embassy or Consulate. Tips may also be submitted to https://tips.fbi.gov.

Additional details: Rahami is a 28-year-old U.S. citizen of Afghan descent and was born on January 23, 1988, in Afghanistan. His last known address was in Elizabeth, New Jersey. He is about 5’6” tall and weighs approximately 200 pounds; he has brown hair, brown eyes, and brown facial hair.

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Afghan dude huh?

[Ardwen]

And located and captured after a shootout in Linden New jersey