help with my empath?

[iohova]

i mainly just heal, but eventually (or rather, soon) id like to get around to headin out and hunting things. right now the emp is level 30.
heres what her current skills looks like:

(at level 30), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 58 12
Physical Fitness...................| 105 25
Arcane Symbols.....................| 74 16
Magic Item Use.....................| 74 16
Spell Aiming.......................| 164 64
Harness Power......................| 164 64
Spirit Mana Control................| 124 32
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 124 32
Survival...........................| 74 16
Perception.........................| 50 10
Climbing...........................| 70 15
Swimming...........................| 50 10
First Aid..........................| 196 96

Spell Lists
Major Spirit.......................| 17

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 18

Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 30

i know, i kinda messed up by not getting 120 a tad earlier. im kicking myself for it because right now, ive only got like a 214 DS in full offensive (4x runestaff, 4x armor)

any help/suggestions? i LOVE bone shatter, but like to use the other spells like 111 and 1110 as well, mix it up and all.
right now, my bone shatter CS is 140. im a giantman btw.

[Edited on 12-4-2004 by iohova]

[Mistomeer]

I've always liked 1x Brawling/1x Shield over runestaff for an empath. It's expensive, but you can still do that, go 1x Manip lore, 2x HP, 3x FA, and hunt with bone shatter effectively.

[Snapp]

I don't see anything wrong that would hinder you hunting. You have the skills to make a good shatter/bolter. If you decide to change anything, I'd aim for getting 120, but that's all I see.

[iohova]

im a lil behind on armor ranks too :(
hadnt originally planned to hunt the emp, so just stuck with the armor i had (light leather) but now want to get up to brig.

[Miss X]

While I agree with Mistomeer 100% (my empath is trained brawling/shield) I see nothing wrong with your training if you want to be a classic runestaff using shattering/bolting empath.

Only thing I would ask is are you training up for brig or just wanted 12 ranks in armor? Also, if you are training in survival for skinning you might as well drop it, I dropped all my survival and noticed no difference at all since I 3x first aid. Could put the extra points into minor spirit spells and get 120. :)

[The Cat In The Hat]

Originally posted by Miss X
While I agree with Mistomeer 100% (my empath is trained brawling/shield) I see nothing wrong with your training if you want to be a classic runestaff using shattering/bolting empath.

Only thing I would ask is are you training up for brig or just wanted 12 ranks in armor? Also, if you are training in survival for skinning you might as well drop it, I dropped all my survival and noticed no difference at all since I 3x first aid. Could put the extra points into minor spirit spells and get 120. :)

Are you positive? I noticed a difference of about 600 silver per skin when I used the last fixskills to get 1x survival.
But I also have 1x tradeing.

[Miss X]

Pretty certain, I dropped survival and upped to 3x first aid and everything was exactly the same. I don't have any trading though. :)

[The Cat In The Hat]

Maybe I'll use this fixskills to drop it all and see if there's a difference, or if I was just imagining it.

[Miss X]

Ley me know if you prove me wrong, I'l have to re train in survival if you do! ;)

[Mistomeer]

Trading used to not matter on skin prices...I know in my 30 days I jacked up my trading when I was skinning the lake and saw no difference...is this a new change or was I just unlucky with skin quality when I had trading?

[The Cat In The Hat]

Im not sure, but I noticed about a 1k increase per skin when I 1x'd trading and survival. When I want to cash hunt, I can make roughly 180k an hour skinning.

[Nilandia]

I'll take it that you want to stay with a runestaff since that's what you're using. These are my ideas, so take them only as that.

Armor Use..........................| 58 12
Ditch them. Armor is expensive and you're relying on your casting, which armor will hinder. You'll free up a ton of points to spend elsewhere.

Physical Fitness...................| 105 25
Drop 1 rank to 24 and no higher. You don't need more for now.

Arcane Symbols.....................| 74 16
Magic Item Use.....................| 74 16
Up these to 1x at the very least, 2x optimally.

Spell Aiming.......................| 164 64
Harness Power......................| 164 64
Spirit Mana Control................| 124 32
No problems here.

Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 124 32
Drop 5 ranks and pick up 5 ranks of Telepathy. You'll get your second CS wave of 1110 and you'll keep your runestaff ranks.

Survival...........................| 74 16
Perception.........................| 50 10
Ditch them, or keep the survival if you're hunting Icemule. First aid is weighted equally with survival for skinning, and your 3x is plenty. Perception is not really necessary that I've found. I don't train in it and get along fine.

Climbing...........................| 70 15
Swimming...........................| 50 10
These look fine, but you can shave them if you need the points.

First Aid..........................| 196 96
Looks good. Keep it at 3x. You can also drop that last level of FA so you'll have 93 ranks, if you need points.

Major Spirit.......................| 17
Minor Spirit.......................| 18
Empath.............................| 30

Empath looks fine. I'd say drop the two major spirit spells to get 120. I've personally never used either Frenzy or Mass Interference. We want you staying alive, here.

Also, if you want to boost your Fire Spirit, start sinking points into Summoning. 1x is optimal, but with your overtraining in spells, that will be hard to do. I'd suggest staying with the spells you have, only training up your Empath ranks to match your level so your CS stays on par. Take the points left over and put them into Summoning. Your Fire Spirit is more potent, not to mention your Spirit Servant will keep you for longer when you get it.

Also, by training more in AS and MIU, you'll be able to use more magic items and scrolls, plus the spells you use from them will last longer. To me, that's better than armor, since the critters don't even hit me at all unless I do something stupid. At level 41, doubled in both AS and MIU, I can pretty much use any magic item I get my hands on.

Good luck!

Nilandia

[Trinitis]

Originally posted by Mistomeer
I've always liked 1x Brawling/1x Shield over runestaff for an empath. It's expensive, but you can still do that, go 1x Manip lore, 2x HP, 3x FA, and hunt with bone shatter effectively.

Ya mean like this? :P


(at level 34), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 40 8
Shield Use.........................| 130 35
Brawling...........................| 130 35
Physical Fitness...................| 102 24
Arcane Symbols.....................| 108 26
Magic Item Use.....................| 108 26
Harness Power......................| 170 70
Spirit Mana Control................| 102 24
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 130 35
Perception.........................| 130 35
Climbing...........................| 102 24
Swimming...........................| 102 24
First Aid..........................| 205 105

Spell Lists
Major Spirit.......................| 15

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 20

Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 35
Training Points: 42 Phy 0 Mnt (42 Phy converted to Mnt)

[Mistomeer]

Will survival traiing negate the effects of the cold in Icemule? How many ranks does it take to not get hit by the wind?

[Chyrain]

this is my empath training... I'm stictly a caster, but I'm pushing my armor up to brig. I have way more mana than I need at this point to worry about whether or not I'll get hinderance. Once I hit up enough armor ranks for brig, I'll force my lores up to full 1x each. I think that if you're planning on pushing your characters into the Rift and beyond, you should have better armor. Humble opinion only.

(at level 58), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 111 27
Physical Fitness...................| 130 35
Arcane Symbols.....................| 140 40
Magic Item Use.....................| 140 40
Spell Aiming.......................| 220 120
Harness Power......................| 177 77
Spirit Mana Control................| 120 30
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 153 53
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 153 53
Climbing...........................| 99 23
Swimming...........................| 93 21
First Aid..........................| 250 150

Spell Lists
Major Spirit.......................| 34

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 40

Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 63

[Edited on 12-5-2004 by Chyrain]

[Nilandia]

Doing just fine, thankyouverymuch.

Nilandia (at level 41), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Physical Fitness...................| 102 24
Arcane Symbols.....................| 184 84
Magic Item Use.....................| 184 84
Spell Aiming.......................| 184 84
Harness Power......................| 184 84
Spirit Mana Control................| 142 42
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 142 42
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 134 37
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 25 5
Climbing...........................| 70 15
Swimming...........................| 25 5
First Aid..........................| 226 126

Spell Lists
Major Spirit.......................| 25

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 20

Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 40

Nilandia

[iohova]

appreciate all the help so far guys.

unfortunately, i used her fixskills the other day because i had her training REALLY messed up :( ill get that new one real soon, but i dont exactly wanna use it.

guess i could just stop the armor training for now actually. ill just leave it where its at now tho, because i do eventually wanna get her into brig. but when i do get her around to hunting, im gonna slap some doubles on her rather than the light leather shes got on now (which is neat, its a black leather bodice. its quite an old item)

looks like ill be dropping the survival ranks.
rather than drop ranks of manip, ill just pick up them telepathy and summoning lore ranks when the points become available.
next training ill get 120. ill be short 1 rank of empath, but i can make that up the training after. it might be a bit yet till i get enough weigh off her to be able to hunt safely anyways, so im sure ill level once or twice before then. (dang walking locker. lol)

[Nakiro]

Chyrain, why 1x telepathy? Do you use assult a ton or something?

Also, here is my glory

Nakiro (at level 100), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 150 50
Physical Fitness...................| 120 30
Arcane Symbols.....................| 150 50
Magic Item Use.....................| 150 50
Spell Aiming.......................| 302 202
Harness Power......................| 250 150
Elemental Mana Control.............| 102 24
Mental Mana Control................| 102 24
Spirit Mana Control................| 200 100
Mental Lore - Divination...........| 90 20
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 200 100
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 90 20
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 148 48
Perception.........................| 140 40
Climbing...........................| 120 30
Swimming...........................| 120 30
First Aid..........................| 403 303

Spell Lists
Major Spirit.......................| 42

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 66

Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 120
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[Sean]

How far beyond 100 are you Nakiro?

[Nakiro]

Uhm, about 1m.

[Nakiro]

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In case you want to do the math yourself.

[Chyrain]

Originally posted by Nakiro
Chyrain, why 1x telepathy? Do you use assult a ton or something?



yup.

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