Is it a Stroke or a Heart attack.

[Shalla]

I just got this forward from my good friend.. She also plays GS, and I love her so much. When I read it, I personally didn't know what to do if I or someone I know was having heart problems besides call 911 and cpr.

This might be a lifesaver if we can remember the three questions!

IS IT A STROKE?

Sometimes symptoms of a stroke are difficult to identify. Unfortunately, the lack of awareness spells disaster for the stroke victim. A stroke victim may suffer brain damage when people nearby fail to recognize the symptoms of a stroke.

Now doctors say any bystander can recognize a stroke by asking three simple questions:

1. Ask the individual to smile.

2. Ask him or her to raise both arms.

3. Ask the person to speak a simple sentence.

If he or she has trouble with any of these tasks, call 911 immediately and describe the symptoms to the dispatcher.


After discovering that a group of non-medical volunteers could identify facial weakness, arm weakness and speech problems, researchers urged the general public to learn the three questions.

They presented their conclusions at the American Stroke Association's annual meeting Last February. Widespread us of this test could result in prompt diagnosis and treatment of the stroke and prevent brain damage.


IS IT A HEART ATTACK?

A cardiologist says if everyone who get this e-mail sends it to 10 people, you can bet that at least one life will be saved.

Please read this.....It could save your life!!!

Let's say it's 6:15 p.m. and you're driving home (alone of course), after an unusually hard day on the job. You're really tired, upset, and frustrated. Suddenl, you start experiencing severe pain in your chest that starts to radiate out into your arm and up into your jaw. You are only about five miles from the hospital nearest your home.

Unfortunately, yhhou don't know if you'll be able to make it that far. You have been trained in CPR, but the guy that taught the course did not tell you how to perform it on yourself.

HOW TO SURVIVE A HEART ATTACK WHEN ALONE:

Since many people are alone when they suffer a heart attack, without help, the person whose heart is beating improperly and who begins to feel faint, has only about 10 seconds left before losing consciousness.

However, these victims can help themselves by coughing repeatedly and very vigorously. A deep breath should be taken before each cough, and dthe cough must be deep and prolonged, as when producing sputum from deep inside the chest.

A breath and a cough must be repeated about every two seconds without let-up until help arrives, or until the heart is felt to be beating normally again.

Deep breaths get oxygen into the lungs and coughing movements squeeze the heart and keep the blood circulating. The squeezing pressure on the heart also helps it regain normal rhythm.

In this way, heart attack victims can get to a hospital.


Tell as many people as possible about this. It could save their lives.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Lady Shalla
producing sputum from deep inside the chest.


There goes my urge for a McDonalds run this morning.

[hectomaner]

what they dont tell you is what to do when someone is having both at the same time

[Skeeter]

Originally posted by hectomaner
what they dont tell you is what to do when someone is having both at the same time

I think you pee on them... or is that a jellyfish sting? :thinking:

[Sean of the Thread]

Originally posted by Skeeter

Originally posted by hectomaner
what they dont tell you is what to do when someone is having both at the same time

I think you pee on them... or is that a jellyfish sting? :thinking:

No no no, that's with the drunk girl in the back of a pickup truck last st patty's day.... I think.:?:

[xtc]

I keep my defibrillator in the car for just such occasions. It is a good one, Dick Cheney approved.

[hectomaner]

Originally posted by Skeeter

Originally posted by hectomaner
what they dont tell you is what to do when someone is having both at the same time

I think you pee on them... or is that a jellyfish sting? :thinking:


:no:

i was being serious

[Wezas]

Originally posted by xtc
I keep my defibrillator in the car for just such occasions.

Shame you used it to jump your car last week and didn't charge it again. :(

[Czeska]

Coughing raises your blood pressure, so it makes sense. I learned that when I was passing out at a blood drive. The coughing made the nausea pass and the dizziness stop.

Nice post.

[Latrinsorm]

Anyone going to believe Omens? Anyone?

[Sean]

He hasn't given me a reason not to believe him...

Chain letter emails are not the best source of information. Unless of course you think Bill Gates is really going to send you money.

[Tsa`ah]

He's right.

Elevated BP is one of the dangers of cardiac arrest.

[Czeska]

Ok this is what I found on line after about half an hour of reading various things.

2003 update: In September 2003, four years after this email rumor began circulating, Polish physician Tadeusz Petelenz presented the results of a study which he said demonstrates that cough CPR can indeed save the lives of some heart attack victims. While not immediately embraced by all the members attending the European Society of Cardiology meeting where Petelenz spoke, the findings were characterized by some as "interesting." At least one heart specialist, Dr. Marten Rosenquist of Sweden, found fault with the study, objecting that Petelenz had presented no evidence that the subjects had actually experienced cardiac arythmias. He called for further research.


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Aside from that, most sites are saying this can be effective in regulating irregular heart rhythms as occur in *some* kind of heart attacks.
When I said it makes sense I was referring to the ending of the dizziness, etc., to keep you going just so you don't wreck your car.

[Shalla]

Personally I have caught omens lie about something before, so I doubt I would be believing him anytime soon.

I think a dying person who had no prior knowledge when it comes to saving themselves when it comes to heart attacks or stroke would practically do anything to save their life. If it means coughing their way to the phone.

You can read many things from the internet, it doesn't necessarily mean you would be doing it. It's really best to get proper advice from a doctor, if you have heart problems.

[Czeska]

Here's some of what is on the American Heart Association's website:

Are there situations when "cough CPR" is appropriate?

This coughing technique to maintain blood flow during brief arrhythmias has been useful in the hospital, particularly during cardiac catheterization. In such cases the patient's ECG is monitored continuously, and a physician is present.

During cardiac catheterization, patients may develop sudden arrhythmias. If a life-threatening arrhythmia is detected within the first 10 to 15 seconds and before the patient loses consciousness, a physician or nurse may tell the patient to cough. Repeated, forceful coughing can help the person stay conscious until the arrhythmia disappears or is treated.

Therefore, the usefulness of "cough CPR" is generally limited to monitored patients with a witnessed arrest in the hospital setting.

AHA Recommendation

The best strategy is to be aware of the early warning signs for heart attack and cardiac arrest and respond to them by calling 9-1-1. If you're driving alone and you start having severe chest pain or discomfort that starts to spread into your arm and up into your jaw (the scenario presented in the Internet article), pull over and flag down another motorist for help or phone 9-1-1 on a cellular telephone.



Hope that helps (even though it sounds partly like a CYA for a possible lawsuit post)

[Edited on 12-2-2004 by Czeska]

[Skeeter]

The stroke thingeys are a decent indicator. I work in a nursing home, I see strokes often.


THEN I PEE ON THEM!!!111!!11

[Ilvane]

Stories about "Cough CPR" or "How to Survive a Heart Attack When Alone" have been circulating on the Internet. What is the American Red Cross' position on this issue?

The American Red Cross does not endorse the "How to Survive A Heart Attack When Alone" coughing technique that is being publicized on the Internet. The American Red Cross develops materials from the consensus of medical opinion such as the National Academy of Sciences, the American Heart Association's Emergency Cardiac Care Committee, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and the American College of Emergency Physicians.

The 1992 Guidelines for Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation and Emergency Cardiac Care and the Guidelines 2000 for Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation and Emergency Cardiovascular Care - International Consensus on Science briefly discuss the technique called Cough CPR ¹. Cough CPR is a self-administered form of cardiopulmonary resuscitation described by CM Criley in 1976 ².

According to Criley, self-initiated CPR is possible; however, its use is limited to clinical situations in which the patient has a cardiac monitor, the arrest is recognized before loss of consciousness, and the patient can cough forcefully. To date, there is insufficient scientific research concerning the efficacy of Cough CPR. Therefore, American Red Cross cannot advocate teaching the technique until it has been thoroughly tested in national studies and found to be effective.

As a training organization, the American Red Cross encourages the public to recognize the signals of a heart attack:

* Persistent chest pain or discomfort (which can range from discomfort to an unbearable crushing sensation in the chest) that lasts longer than 3 to 5 minutes or is not relieved by resting, changing position, oral medication, or goes away and then comes back.
* Discomfort, pain or pressure in either arm; discomfort, pain or pressure that spreads to the shoulder, arm, neck or jaw.
* Breathing difficulty, which may cause dizziness.
* Nausea.
* Skin appearance, which may be pale or bluish in color. The face may be moist or may sweat profusely.
* Unconsciousness.

To care for a heart attack victim:

* Recognize the signals of a heart attack.
* Call 911 or the local emergency number for help.
* Convince and help the victim to stop activity and rest comfortably.
* Try to obtain additional information about the victim's condition.
* Assist with medication, if prescribed.
* Monitor the victim's condition.
* Be prepared to give CPR and use an AED if the victim's heart stops beating.

Often a heart attack victim experiences chest pain that does not go away; the pain may spread to the shoulder, arm, neck, jaw or back. It is usually not relieved by resting, changing position or taking medicine. If the pain is severe or does not go away in 3-5 minutes, call 9-1-1 or your local emergency number at once. A heart attack victim may deny that any signal is serious. If it appears as though the victim is having a heart attack, stay calm, reassure the victim, and call 9-1-1 or your local emergency number!

1. American Heart Association Guidelines for Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation and Emergency Cardiac Care. JAMA. 1992; 268(16): 2135-2302.
2. Criley JM, Blaufuss AH, Kissel GL. Cough-induced cardiac compression. JAMA, 1976; 236:1246-1250.
3. Guidelines 2000 for Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation and Emergency Cardiovascular Care - International Consensus on Science.

[Hulkein]

I would hope you're correct, for your own sake.

Having three heart attacks better be enough to learn what is best to do when having one, heh.

The coughing thing can help when you're having arrhythmias, as someone said. These can also cause your heart to stop, but they're not really the reason why most people have heart attacks.

Big Macs and laziness is.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Omens
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just a dickhead who does dumb shitExample: http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=6799&page=3

Aint here to fight with ya.I'm curious why you came back, actually.

[Edited on 12-2-2004 by Latrinsorm]

[CrystalTears]

Heh, Faded Design. So busted. :lol2:

[ALARM]

Please everyone drive safe on the intarweb.. always buckle up with a snopes when possible.

http://www.snopes.com/toxins/coughcpr.htm