11 Police officers shot, at least 3 dead, at Dallas Black Lives Matter Protest [Archive]

WRoss

07-08-2016, 12:07 AM

NSFW/NSFL

Video of fox news shows police officers down

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Videos of shots being fired/shootout & other

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looking for subject in parking garage

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Live news coverage
https://youtu.be/3mq5hrUDoYo

Androidpk

07-08-2016, 12:15 AM

4 cops dead so far

WRoss

07-08-2016, 12:20 AM

Supposedly two in custody with possibly another cornered currently. Possible bomb.

drauz

07-08-2016, 12:20 AM

Holy shit... 4th officer just died.

drauz

07-08-2016, 12:22 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZkG8_YBpHs

Live coverage.

time4fun

07-08-2016, 12:24 AM

Fuck.

drauz

07-08-2016, 12:44 AM

https://twitter.com/DallasPD

they are updating as they can

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cm0NfAlUMAA8PNP.jpg:large

drauz

07-08-2016, 12:57 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cm0Tv-jVIAAID_e.jpg

Androidpk

07-08-2016, 03:08 AM

a 5th officer has died. I'm hearing 4 attackers were involved.

Jarvan

07-08-2016, 03:39 AM

Just another BLM peaceful protest.

drauz

07-08-2016, 03:47 AM

Just another BLM peaceful protest.

This was a planned ambush, they knew the route it was going to take. They waited for them to get in the kill zone. Have they even released the race of the shooters?

Wesley

07-08-2016, 03:49 AM

Have they even released the race of the shooters?

Do they matter?

drauz

07-08-2016, 03:56 AM

Do they matter?

It was more in reply to what I quoted, about a peaceful BLM protest.

Jarvan

07-08-2016, 04:05 AM

This was a planned ambush, they knew the route it was going to take. They waited for them to get in the kill zone. Have they even released the race of the shooters?

Wait.. white people don't participate in BLM protests?

Androidpk

07-08-2016, 04:06 AM

I'm hearing humans were responsible, again, and of course nothing is going to be done about it. Big human industry is too big to fail.

Jarvan

07-08-2016, 04:08 AM

I'm hearing humans were responsible, again, and of course nothing is going to be done about it. Big human industry is too big to fail.

Well.. I am not sure if we will hear another cry for gun control.

Cops are not a "Protected Species" to the left.

drauz

07-08-2016, 04:15 AM

I'm hearing humans were responsible, again, and of course nothing is going to be done about it. Big human industry is too big to fail.

The robot overlords will bail us out.

Fallen

07-08-2016, 11:19 AM

Sad stuff. This should be seen as an act of domestic terrorism and anyone remotely involved should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Menos

07-08-2016, 11:20 AM

Sad stuff. This should be seen as an act of domestic terrorism and anyone remotely involved should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Agreed.

peam

07-08-2016, 11:34 AM

Cops are not a "Protected Species" to the left.

That's an incredibly ignorant thing to say.

As someone who is wildly left-wing, I'm not a fan of the police by any stretch of the imagination, but I do feel that they have the right to perform their duties and return safely to their homes and families.

Tragedy is tragedy. Actions like what happened in Dallas do not contribute to solving the problem.

Enuch

07-08-2016, 12:18 PM

Do they matter?

When it is a white officer on an African American victim it 100% matters why shouldn't the reverse be true even with white privilege racially motivated crimes on both law enforcement and the publics side is deplorable and I think it definitely matters, especially if it was a racially motivated attack (some states have hate crime penalty additions). But it would also matter the races of the officers, general police targeting versus racial targeting of certain police officers could be important for building cases.

Oh and don't get it twisted I believe the same needs to apply for white orfficers with African American victims (or any other minority victim, I can only imagine how tough being a Muslim in most parts of this county are). If it can be pursued and is chargeable I think racial biase (hate crime addition) should be utilized. In both cases hard to prove but I do not think it should go un-noticed.

Androidpk

07-08-2016, 12:34 PM

Police said after several hours of negotiating, with intermittent exchanges of gunfire, the suspect was killed by a bomb-wielding robot.

“We tried to negotiate for several hours, negotiations broke down, we had an exchange of gunfire with the suspect,” Brown said. “We saw no other option but to use our bomb-robot and place a device on its extension for it to detonate where the suspect was. Other options would have exposed our officers to grave danger. The suspect is dead a result of detonating the bomb.”

http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/micah-xavier-x-johnson-dallas-police-shooting-sniper-gunman-shooter-suspect-name-identified-photos-facebook-video/

peam

07-08-2016, 12:38 PM

Androidpk

07-08-2016, 12:40 PM

Just to confirm, the police attached an explosive to a robot and blew the guy up?

That is what it sounds like.

peam

07-08-2016, 12:41 PM

That is what it sounds like.

That is metal as fuck.

Enuch

07-08-2016, 12:55 PM

If I was able to pick my story (and this is I am sure in terribly poor taste given the magnitude of these actions and the purpose of this thread) I think picking for my gravestone that I was blown up by a bomb-wielding police robot...would at least be one hell of a convo starter whereever I ended up, and an interesting point for my remaining descendents to have to flesh out to others.

Androidpk

07-08-2016, 12:59 PM

It isn't exactly a new concept, though I'm more used to seeing this sort of thing done by the military, not SWAT/police.

Enuch

07-08-2016, 01:08 PM

I don't know how the rules work in that capacity and how jurisdictions line up for that. That would be interesting but in something as heinous as this I doubt the military would really want to even bother getting involved in doing and kind of military criminal justice proceedings and just let the local/state or fed deal with this nightmare (in so many respects).

Androidpk

07-08-2016, 01:25 PM

I doubt the military would really want to even bother getting involved..

http://images.fastcompany.com/upload/predator.jpg

Fallen

07-08-2016, 01:30 PM

They straight up Watchdogs-style killed the shooter. Damn.

Warriorbird

07-08-2016, 01:32 PM

I'm glad.

BriarFox

07-08-2016, 01:40 PM

Seems to have been just one shooter, a 25 year old army vet: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/09/us/dallas-police-shooting.html?

Gelston

07-08-2016, 02:02 PM

He said he wanted to kill white people, white cops specifiically, so it was straight up racially motivated.

Tgo01

07-08-2016, 02:42 PM

A black man shot white cops?

When do the white riots start? I could use a new TV.

Luntz

07-08-2016, 02:48 PM

white riots

http://i.imgur.com/GmRfm.gif

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Jarvan

07-08-2016, 03:49 PM

Under Holder, this couldn't have been a hate crime.

At least Lynch isn't nearly as fucking retarded as Holder.

Taernath

07-08-2016, 03:58 PM

A black man shot white cops?

When do the white riots start? I could use a new TV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvG3is7Bm1w

Parkbandit

07-08-2016, 04:17 PM

Is anyone really surprised that this happened? You can't have "peaceful" protests when people are saying to fry police like bacon.. and not expect one of them to lash out.

Wesley

07-08-2016, 04:30 PM

You can't have "peaceful" protests when people are saying to fry police like bacon.. and not expect one of them to lash out.

Uh...Yeah. Yeah ya can.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_on_Washington_for_Jobs_and_Freedom

Parkbandit

07-08-2016, 04:35 PM

Uh...Yeah. Yeah ya can.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_on_Washington_for_Jobs_and_Freedom

Wait.. so they were chanting things like:

“Pigs in a blanket, fry ’em like bacon.”

So... we have 1 person so far that is surprised by cops getting killed by BLM protesters.

Good to know.

Androidpk

07-08-2016, 04:37 PM

Is anyone really surprised that this happened? You can't have "peaceful" protests when people are saying to fry police like bacon.. and not expect one of them to lash out.

It was a peaceful protest and you can't blame the attack on BLM.

Parkbandit

07-08-2016, 04:55 PM

It was a peaceful protest and you can't blame the attack on BLM.

I just did.

Isn't it Liberals who are always claiming that words matter? You can't call out chants about killing police officers and then be surprised that it actually happened.

Wesley

07-08-2016, 04:55 PM

Wait.. so they were chanting things like:

“Pigs in a blanket, fry ’em like bacon.”

So... we have 1 person so far that is surprised by cops getting killed by BLM protesters.

Good to know.

Cite your source for anyone at the protest in Dallas chanting this last night.

And yes, I would imagine that during the civil rights movement many people were advocating for violence against law enforcement, as thorough documentation has proven that there was exactly that. And yet, peaceful protests and nonviolence were what turned the tide of public opinion and swayed the laws during that period of time.

Parkbandit

07-08-2016, 04:58 PM

Cite your source for anyone at the protest in Dallas chanting this last night.

So if it wasn't chanted last night in Dallas, BLM has never done it?

lol.

Androidpk

07-08-2016, 04:58 PM

I just did.

Isn't it Liberals who are always claiming that words matter? You can't call out chants about killing police officers and then be surprised that it actually happened.

I watched several videos of the protest and didn't hear anyone calling out such things against the police.

What you can't be surprised about is to have police be killing so many Americans without reperecussion and not expect violence to happen in return. This isn't on BLM.

Parkbandit

07-08-2016, 05:03 PM

I watched several videos of the protest and didn't hear anyone calling out such things against the police.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8Yqv8mnywU

What you can't be surprised about is to have police be killing so many Americans without reperecussion and not expect violence to happen in return. This isn't on BLM.

So.. the police deserved what they got.

Got it.

Wesley

07-08-2016, 05:04 PM

So if it wasn't chanted last night in Dallas, BLM has never done it?

lol.

Ah, so what you're saying then is that a partial group of protesters a year ago in Minnesota (That's what you're referencing, by the way) justifies judgment against a group of peaceful protesters in Dallas last night?

Sounds an awful lot like the same sort of reasoning that leads to a psychopath with a rifle sniping police officers in Dallas over a video from the Baton Rouge Lousiana police department.

Do you also blame Muslims in California for the night club attack in Florida? Where exactly is the line in the sand in your fucked up logic is what I'm asking?

Androidpk

07-08-2016, 05:06 PM

Tgo01

07-08-2016, 05:13 PM

Taernath

07-08-2016, 05:19 PM

Has BLM spoken out against the murder of police officers in Dallas? Have they condemned the actions? Have they asked for peaceful protests and asked for unity against violence?

Until they do then BLM is just a terrorist group now.

I noticed Twitter was full of people using hashtag BLM to say they were glad that police officers were shot in Dallas.

u trollin m8?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dallas-shooting-black-lives-matter-leaders-respond/

Not to mention:

"The suspect said he was upset about Black Lives Matter," Brown told reporters. "He said he was upset about the recent police shootings. The suspect said he was upset at white people. The suspect said he wanted to kill white people."

The suspect had also said he was not affiliated with any groups and that he acted alone, Brown added.

Tgo01

07-08-2016, 05:21 PM

Okay so a couple of BLM leaders aren't terrorists.

Now if they can just ratchet down their rhetoric that police officers are all violent thugs that would help a lot too. But that won't happen.

Androidpk

07-08-2016, 05:24 PM

Okay so a couple of BLM leaders aren't terrorists.

Now if they can just ratchet down their rhetoric that police officers are all violent thugs that would help a lot too. But that won't happen.

If cops would stop killing civilians that would be great.

Androidpk

07-08-2016, 05:25 PM

Wesley

07-08-2016, 05:25 PM

I have seen tons of people condemning the violence last night.

For example, every single person with a shred of humanity remaining.

Androidpk

07-08-2016, 05:27 PM

For example, every single person with a shred of humanity remaining.

Yes

Tgo01

07-08-2016, 05:28 PM

If cops would stop killing civilians that would be great.

The vast majority of people shot by police are armed and usually threatening violence.

I have seen tons of people condemning the violence last night.

Me too, I've also seen a lot of people either not really caring, still chanting "BLM!!" or actually cheering the violence.

For example, every single person with a shred of humanity remaining.

Not everyone has a shred of humanity.

Parkbandit

07-08-2016, 05:31 PM

Do you also blame Muslims in California for the night club attack in Florida? Where exactly is the line in the sand in your fucked up logic is what I'm asking?

Unlike your ilk, I blame radical Islamic groups.. and not gun control.

Parkbandit

07-08-2016, 05:34 PM

That video wasn't from the Dallas protest and I am most certainly not saying the police deserved what happened, not even remotely fucking close. You on the other hand are fully blaming the thousands of people protesting in Dallas.

That is not what I said. I asked if anyone was surprised after a year of these BLM protests and rhetoric against police officers, that something like this would happen.

Don't be a back/time4fun airhead.

From you? The ONLY guy on this forum that actually thought Bernie would be nominated because Hillary would be indicted? I wouldn't call you an airhead.. because at least there is air in there.

Wesley

07-08-2016, 05:35 PM

Unlike your ilk, I blame radical Islamic groups.. and not gun control.

Cite the part where I said anything about supporting gun control. Anywhere. Ever. I own several firearms, and care for/use them all responsibly. And out of curiosity, exactly what is my ilk?

Parkbandit

07-08-2016, 05:41 PM

Cite the part where I said anything about supporting gun control. Anywhere. Ever. I own several firearms, and care for/use them all responsibly. And out of curiosity, exactly what is my ilk?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/06/02/2E24E44E00000578-3306317-image-a-32_1446775713552.jpg

Wesley

07-08-2016, 05:42 PM

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/06/02/2E24E44E00000578-3306317-image-a-32_1446775713552.jpg

Interesting. How so? What led you to come to this conclusion?

Androidpk

07-08-2016, 05:46 PM

That is not what I said. I asked if anyone was surprised after a year of these BLM protests and rhetoric against police officers, that something like this would happen.

What about all the black deaths at the hands of police over the past year.. was that a factor at all in this shooting?

Jarvan

07-08-2016, 05:47 PM

If cops would stop killing civilians that would be great.

Hey... cops do a good job 99.997% of the time. And that's pretty damn good. Just ask Hillary.

Androidpk

07-08-2016, 05:48 PM

Hey... cops do a good job 99.997% of the time. And that's pretty damn good. Just ask Hillary.

:lol:

Jarvan

07-08-2016, 05:49 PM

What about all the black deaths at the hands of police over the past year.. was that a factor at all in this shooting?

Don't you need to correct that and say... "unwarranted" black deaths?

If every single time a black person dies from a police officer in this country there is riots and deaths of cops. Cops should just stop going after black criminals. I am sure that would be better.

Tgo01

07-08-2016, 05:50 PM

What about all the black deaths at the hands of police over the past year.. was that a factor at all in this shooting?

This type of black and white thinking (GET IT?!) is exactly what led to this shooting.

Officers shooting black people without looking at ANY of the details of the shooting promotes this kind of backwards ideology that all officers are evil and all blacks are just innocent victims being gunned down by police on their way to bible study.

Gee, I can't possibly imagine what could go wrong with furthering this type of agenda, and then you get support for this hatred all the way up to the president of the United States.

Androidpk

07-08-2016, 05:56 PM

This type of black and white thinking (GET IT?!) is exactly what led to this shooting.

Officers shooting black people without looking at ANY of the details of the shooting promotes this kind of backwards ideology that all officers are evil and all blacks are just innocent victims being gunned down by police on their way to bible study.

Gee, I can't possibly imagine what could go wrong with furthering this type of agenda, and then you get support for this hatred all the way up to the president of the United States.

What about your line of thinking? Seems like any time there is a shooting involving police and civilians you always 100% back up the police and condemn the other person. It's about as predictable as WB pulling the, "but the republicans!" card.

Gelston

07-08-2016, 05:56 PM

Cops kill more white people every year. Lets get them, whities!

Androidpk

07-08-2016, 05:56 PM

Don't you need to correct that and say... "unwarranted" black deaths?

If every single time a black person dies from a police officer in this country there is riots and deaths of cops. Cops should just stop going after black criminals. I am sure that would be better.

I'm talking about the unwarranted shootings.

Tgo01

07-08-2016, 06:00 PM

What about your line of thinking? Seems like any time there is a shooting involving police and civilians you always 100% back up the police and condemn the other person.

Except just very recently I said I thought the police were wrong so...I guess you're wrong.

Also if one is really concerned with police shootings shouldn't they be concerned with ALL police shootings, and not just when it's black people shot by white cops?

If I'm backing up the cops 100% of the time (which I don't) then gee, kind of looks like I also defend the cops when they shoot a white person.

At least I'm consistent in my shit and not a blatant racist like BLM.

Jarvan

07-08-2016, 06:04 PM

I'm talking about the unwarranted shootings.

There are less "Unwarranted" shootings of Black people then there are cops getting shot and killed.

Gelston

07-08-2016, 06:08 PM

There are less "Unwarranted" shootings of Black people then there are cops getting shot and killed.

Obviously that cop was in the wrong. No one gave a fuck when one of my local police officers was gunned down while doing a welfare check.

Wesley

07-08-2016, 06:09 PM

There are less "Unwarranted" shootings of Black people then there are cops getting shot and killed.

Source?

Androidpk

07-08-2016, 06:23 PM

Except just very recently I said I thought the police were wrong so...I guess you're wrong.

Also if one is really concerned with police shootings shouldn't they be concerned with ALL police shootings, and not just when it's black people shot by white cops?

If I'm backing up the cops 100% of the time (which I don't) then gee, kind of looks like I also defend the cops when they shoot a white person.

At least I'm consistent in my shit and not a blatant racist like BLM.

Okay you did say that one cop look like he did murder that dude but I believe that's the first time I've seen you say something like that.

I don't buy the last part though. Are you saying everyone involved in BLM is racist? You do know BLM is multi-racial?

Warriorbird

07-08-2016, 06:48 PM

Obviously that cop was in the wrong. No one gave a fuck when one of my local police officers was gunned down while doing a welfare check.

You knew about it. It was probably investigated. The person was likely caught. People cared.

Tgo01

07-08-2016, 06:52 PM

Okay you did say that one cop look like he did murder that dude but I believe that's the first time I've seen you say something like that.

I don't buy the last part though. Are you saying everyone involved in BLM is racist? You do know BLM is multi-racial?

Yes, lot of self hating honkeys out there. It's called white guilt.

Wesley

07-08-2016, 06:59 PM

Yes, lot of self hating honkeys out there. It's called white guilt.

I've got a math question for you. And PB if he'd like to take a crack at it, since clearly BLM is at fault for this shooting. Thanks for your help. I'm not so great with math, and there are too many variables in this particular equation. I'm more of a History and English kind of guy:

My daughter is 50% black, and I've said at least ten times recently that I believe her life matters. We live 1511.1 miles away from Dallas according to google directions. If the last time I stated that her life matters was approximately 72 hours ago, please solve for the percentage of fault she has for the shootings in Dallas last night.

Enuch

07-08-2016, 08:20 PM

I've got a math question for you. And PB if he'd like to take a crack at it, since clearly BLM is at fault for this shooting. Thanks for your help. I'm not so great with math, and there are too many variables in this particular equation. I'm more of a History and English kind of guy:

My daughter is 50% black, and I've said at least ten times recently that I believe her life matters. We live 1511.1 miles away from Dallas according to google directions. If the last time I stated that her life matters was approximately 72 hours ago, please solve for the percentage of fault she has for the shootings in Dallas last night.

Given that's it's been 72 hours...12.5% but that's just rough math.

Parkbandit

07-08-2016, 08:48 PM

I've got a math question for you. And PB if he'd like to take a crack at it, since clearly BLM is at fault for this shooting. Thanks for your help. I'm not so great with math, and there are too many variables in this particular equation. I'm more of a History and English kind of guy:

My daughter is 50% black, and I've said at least ten times recently that I believe her life matters. We live 1511.1 miles away from Dallas according to google directions. If the last time I stated that her life matters was approximately 72 hours ago, please solve for the percentage of fault she has for the shootings in Dallas last night.

Math isn't the only thing you are really bad at. Logic is clearly not your strong suit either.

Gelston

07-08-2016, 08:57 PM

You knew about it. It was probably investigated. The person was likely caught. People cared.

Okay, you know what I meant. Don't go full retard. It wasn't a national headline.

Jarvan

07-08-2016, 09:04 PM

I've got a math question for you. And PB if he'd like to take a crack at it, since clearly BLM is at fault for this shooting. Thanks for your help. I'm not so great with math, and there are too many variables in this particular equation. I'm more of a History and English kind of guy:

My daughter is 50% black, and I've said at least ten times recently that I believe her life matters. We live 1511.1 miles away from Dallas according to google directions. If the last time I stated that her life matters was approximately 72 hours ago, please solve for the percentage of fault she has for the shootings in Dallas last night.

100%.

As we have learned these last 7+ years, 50% black means 100% black since the 50% white part doesn't matter when it comes to race.

Obama isn't the first 50% black president, he is the first Black president.

Gelston

07-08-2016, 09:08 PM

100%.

As we have learned these last 7+ years, 50% black means 100% black since the 50% white part doesn't matter when it comes to race.

Obama isn't the first 50% black president, he is the first Black president.

Tiger Woods wasn't black when he was good at golf, pal.

Tgo01

07-08-2016, 09:15 PM

TURRISTS lol scared ass bitch - Luntz

How did I know this was from Luntz before even enabling the code that allows me to check?

It's like I'm God.

Either that or Luntz is just that predictable.

Tgo01

07-08-2016, 09:17 PM

I've got a math question for you. And PB if he'd like to take a crack at it, since clearly BLM is at fault for this shooting. Thanks for your help. I'm not so great with math, and there are too many variables in this particular equation. I'm more of a History and English kind of guy:

My daughter is 50% black, and I've said at least ten times recently that I believe her life matters. We live 1511.1 miles away from Dallas according to google directions. If the last time I stated that her life matters was approximately 72 hours ago, please solve for the percentage of fault she has for the shootings in Dallas last night.

I need more information. Does your daughter rage on Twitter about how all cops are bad and they are murdering blacks for the fun of it?

Gelston

07-08-2016, 09:21 PM

I need more information. Does your daughter rage on Twitter about how all cops are bad and they are murdering blacks for the fun of it?

I hate all colors. #nolivesmatter

Warriorbird

07-08-2016, 09:22 PM

Okay, you know what I meant. Don't go full retard. It wasn't a national headline.

You're right. The average white or Hispanic person doesn't feel as targeted by cops as black folks do though.

Gelston

07-08-2016, 09:25 PM

You're right. The average white or Hispanic person doesn't feel as targeted by cops as black folks do though.

No, Hispanics only feel targeted by national policy decisions.

Astray

07-08-2016, 09:26 PM

No, Hispanics only feel targeted by national policy decisions.

And other Ese's, Homes.

Warriorbird

07-08-2016, 10:00 PM

No, Hispanics only feel targeted by national policy decisions.

Because the guy who shot the guy should absolutely be the priority?

Gelston

07-08-2016, 10:03 PM

Because the guy who shot the guy should absolutely be the priority?

What are you going at? I said that a black person being killed by the cops is a national headline, but a cop being killed isn't. Plain and simple.

Warriorbird

07-08-2016, 10:10 PM

What are you going at? I said that a black person being killed by the cops is a national headline, but a cop being killed isn't. Plain and simple.

Then I explained why and then you made some references to how tough Zimmerman's life is.

There might be some reasons why one group of cases are bigger news than the others. There might also be some reasons why they're upset. In simple numbers, proportional to crime actually committed, far more black people are shot by police than white or Hispanic people. This suggests that maybe we ought to take steps to figure out how to make the system more efficient for everybody.

Does this excuse this guy's terrorist/hate crime behavior? Definitely not. I'm glad he got what he got. It doesn't mean these folks don't have reason to protest.

Gelston

07-08-2016, 10:17 PM

Warriorbird

07-08-2016, 10:20 PM

Stop. I didn't say shit about Zimmerman. You invented that in your head.

No, Hispanics only feel targeted by national policy decisions.

Fair enough. Unlike some folks I can admit I might be wrong.

Androidpk

07-08-2016, 10:20 PM

Stop. I didn't say shit about Zimmerman. You invented that in your head.

he has a habit of doing that

Warriorbird

07-08-2016, 10:28 PM

Fair enough. Unlike some folks I can admit I might be wrong.

he has a habit of doing that

I can even summon them.

Androidpk

07-08-2016, 10:32 PM

Sorry, I was summoned by Gelston. You have no power here.

Warriorbird

07-08-2016, 10:40 PM

Sorry, I was summoned by Gelston. You have no power here.

http://static.starcitygames.com/sales/cardscans/MTG/OGW/en/nonfoil/OverwhelmingDenial.jpg

It's okay. You just stick strong with your beliefs. Someday you'll show us all!

Gelston

07-08-2016, 10:45 PM

Fair enough. Unlike some folks I can admit I might be wrong.

You pulled the Hispanic card first. I never did.

Androidpk

07-08-2016, 10:49 PM

http://static.starcitygames.com/sales/cardscans/MTG/OGW/en/nonfoil/OverwhelmingDenial.jpg

It's okay. You just stick strong with your beliefs. Someday you'll show us all!

Yes, I have conviction in my beliefs.

Warriorbird

07-08-2016, 10:49 PM

You pulled the Hispanic card first. I never did.

It wasn't a "Hispanic card." It was stating that black people got shot out of proportion to the crime they committed compared to white and Hispanic people. So, they might have a reason to both be more upset and draw more media attention when they are killed by the police. You'd been unhappy because cops being killed for shitty reasons doesn't make the news.

After that I was confused by a reference you were making.

You can also note that these cops, who were both victims of terrorism and a hate crime, made national news.

Yes, I have conviction in my beliefs.

Even when they're proven incorrect. It's strong all right.

Gelston

07-08-2016, 11:12 PM

It wasn't a "Hispanic card." It was stating that black people got shot out of proportion to the crime they committed compared to white and Hispanic people. So, they might have a reason to both be more upset and draw more media attention when they are killed by the police. You'd been unhappy because cops being killed for shitty reasons doesn't make the news.

After that I was confused by a reference you were making.

You can also note that these cops, who were both victims of terrorism and a hate crime, made national news.

Even when they're proven incorrect. It's strong all right.

I was talking about a cop that was killed. Period. End of story. You went on to Hispanics and whites.

Warriorbird

07-08-2016, 11:13 PM

I was talking about a cop that was killed. Period. End of story. You went on to Hispanics and whites.

Because you seemed unhappy that one would make the news more than the other.

Gelston

07-08-2016, 11:16 PM

Because you seemed unhappy that one would make the news more than the other.

And that had what to do with Hispanics or Zimmerman or whatever the fuck you were going at. I was pointing out the cops death didn't make the national headlines but some thug did. That is it.

Warriorbird

07-08-2016, 11:20 PM

And that had what to do with Hispanics or Zimmerman or whatever the fuck you were going at. I was pointing out the cops death didn't make the national headlines but some thug did. That is it.

I was first trying to suggest that maybe cops don't make the national news because they're both A. cared for by their community and get a lot of police response and B. not a part of a targeted minority group. After that I was confused by your response.

drauz

07-08-2016, 11:23 PM

It wasn't a "Hispanic card." It was stating that black people got shot out of proportion to the crime they committed compared to white and Hispanic people.

13% of the population committing 52% of the homicides, now that sounds like a disproportion
http://usuncut.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/homicidebyrace.png

Gelston

07-08-2016, 11:28 PM

I was first trying to suggest that maybe cops don't make the national news because they're both A. cared for by their community and get a lot of police response and B. not a part of a targeted minority group. After that I was confused by your response.

Yeah no, humans are humans. Grats on being worse than a racist. You fucking scumbag.

Jarvan

07-08-2016, 11:31 PM

Then I explained why and then you made some references to how tough Zimmerman's life is.

There might be some reasons why one group of cases are bigger news than the others. There might also be some reasons why they're upset. In simple numbers, proportional to crime actually committed, far more black people are shot by police than white or Hispanic people. This suggests that maybe we ought to take steps to figure out how to make the system more efficient for everybody.

Does this excuse this guy's terrorist/hate crime behavior? Definitely not. I'm glad he got what he got. It doesn't mean these folks don't have reason to protest.

More Black People kill other Black People in JUST Chicago in one month, then all the white cops killing black people in the country combined.

Also.. if a black guy shoots at a cop, and the cop shoots back and kills them, oddly.. black people still want to march the streets and riot.

I am sure there are just as many cases of cops killing a white person unwarranted as black people unwarranted. You just almost never hear about the first instance, because people wouldn't protest and riot. It's also not a "juicy" enough story for the news outlets.

Warriorbird

07-08-2016, 11:36 PM

http://usuncut.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/homicidebyrace.png

The black population definitely commits a larger amount of murder than their percentage of the population. The shooting rate of unarmed black suspects is still higher than it should be... though not, indeed, as high as it is made to seem.

An unarmed black was therefore 5.6 times more likely than an unarmed white to be shot by police, and a Hispanic was 2.6 times more likely. The black multiple is certainly high, though not that much higher than the California violent-arrest multiple of 5.35 noted above. There is no obvious explanation for why unarmed blacks were shot and killed at a white multiple that was twice that for armed blacks. If police bias is the cause, there is no clear reason why it should be worse in the case of unarmed suspects.

And in the interest of full disclosure relative to the conservative viewpoint

The 256 police judicial killings of blacks in 2015 would be only 4.2 percent of the 6,095 blacks who were murdered in 2014 (the most recent year for which national data are available). The 38 unarmed blacks killed by police accounted for just 0.6 percent. Police shootings of unarmed blacks is a very small problem compared to murder in the black community.

Nobody ever presents it like that though.

And, in addition:

A 2015 Department of Justice study (page 3) of police shootings in Philadelphia found racial differences in “threat perception failure,” that is, cases in which an officer shot an unarmed suspect because the officer thought the suspect was armed. Black officers were nearly twice as likely as white officers to shoot an unarmed black (11.4 percent of all shootings by black officers vs. 6.8 percent of all shootings by white officers). The percentage of such errors by Hispanic officers — 16.7 percent — was even higher.

http://www.colorofcrime.com/2016/03/the-color-of-crime-2016-revised-edition/

I am sure there are just as many cases of cops killing a white person unwarranted as black people unwarranted. You just almost never hear about the first instance, because people wouldn't protest and riot. It's also not a "juicy" enough story for the news outlets.

You're more likely, by percentage, to get shot (whether right or wrong) while armed if white versus black. That kinda blew my mind and does give credence to some of the police hesitation theories.

Yeah no, humans are humans. Grats on being worse than a racist. You fucking scumbag.

I suggested that cops are extraordinarily devoted to the pursuit of justice for each other and that makes me worse than a racist? I dunno. I'm glad that the closure rate for killing a cop is as high as it is.

drauz

07-08-2016, 11:44 PM

The black population definitely commits a larger amount of murder than by percentage than their percentage of the population. The shooting rate of unarmed black suspects is higher than it should be... though not, indeed, as high as it is made to seem.

So its not disproportionate to the crimes they commit..

Warriorbird

07-08-2016, 11:48 PM

So its not disproportionate to the crimes they commit..

Only 3-5% off. My girlfriend kicked my ass with some statistics.

drauz

07-08-2016, 11:53 PM

Only 3-5% off. My girlfriend kicked my ass with some statistics.

So you are agreeing there isn't some conspiracy against black people by the police force then, and that they aren't unjustly targeted/killed more? Is that a correct assessment of your response?

Warriorbird

07-09-2016, 12:02 AM

So you are agreeing there isn't some conspiracy against black people by the police force then, and that they aren't unjustly targeted/killed more? Is that a correct assessment of your response?

Close to it. I'm saying that it's only slightly higher than it should be. I'm not entirely sure what to think now though as she's hitting me with all sorts of crazy statistics. She thinks the black community treats the police terribly and the police give up too easily but that's fueled by white demand for drugs and shitty drug laws and that we ought to do handgun focused buybacks of guns nationally.

I'm glad I asked her at the least. I've got reading to do. This somehow ties into some of her research.

drauz

07-09-2016, 12:10 AM

Close to it. I'm saying that it's only slightly higher than it should be. I'm not entirely sure what to think now though as she's hitting me with all sorts of crazy statistics. She thinks the black community treats the police terribly and the police give up too easily but that's fueled by white demand for drugs and shitty drug laws and that we ought to do handgun focused buybacks of guns nationally.

I'm glad I asked her at the least. I've got reading to do. This somehow ties into some of her research.

Well at least I got you away from the disproportionate talking point.

Gelston

07-09-2016, 12:14 AM

The black population definitely commits a larger amount of murder than their percentage of the population. The shooting rate of unarmed black suspects is still higher than it should be... though not, indeed, as high as it is made to seem.

And in the interest of full disclosure relative to the conservative viewpoint

Nobody ever presents it like that though.

And, in addition:

http://www.colorofcrime.com/2016/03/the-color-of-crime-2016-revised-edition/

You're more likely, by percentage, to get shot (whether right or wrong) while armed if white versus black. That kinda blew my mind and does give credence to some of the police hesitation theories.

I suggested that cops are extraordinarily devoted to the pursuit of justice for each other and that makes me worse than a racist? I dunno. I'm glad that the closure rate for killing a cop is as high as it is.

Yeah, show me where. I mentioned the officer and you pulled up other shit and compared it to Zimmerman.

Warriorbird

07-09-2016, 12:21 AM

Yeah, show me where. I mentioned the officer and you pulled up other shit and compared it to Zimmerman.

Because I thought you had brought up Zimmerman and you hadn't. I said right in the beginning (and it should be evident) that the police naturally put in a lot of effort to solve cop killings and black people (I thought were, but just feel, actually) targeted.

My girlfriend's blowing my mind with a lot of statistics on stuff though. I wonder if her research adviser reckoned on her taking on American economic perceptions through our perceptions of crime and punishment.

Gelston

07-09-2016, 12:24 AM

Because I thought you had and you hadn't. I said right in the beginning (and it should be evident) that the police naturally put in a lot of effort to solve cop killings and black people (I thought were, but just feel, actually) targeted.

My girlfriend's blowing my mind with a lot of statistics on stuff though. I wonder if her research adviser reckoned on her taking on American economic perceptions through our perceptions of crime and punishment.

They apparently target blacks with robot bombs, because 100% of people killed by robot bombs were black.

Warriorbird

07-09-2016, 12:27 AM

They apparently target blacks with robot bombs, because 100% of people killed by robot bombs were black.

She wonders why we don't use more drones on the cartels.

Gelston

07-09-2016, 12:28 AM

She wonders why we don't use more drones on the cartels.

We only have so many.

drauz

07-09-2016, 12:42 AM

She wonders why we don't use more drones on the cartels.

Probably a much higher risk of actually hitting a citizen as well.

Androidpk

07-09-2016, 12:52 AM

She wonders why we don't use more drones on the cartels.

Who says we aren't?

Gelston

07-09-2016, 12:59 AM

Who says we aren't?

That doesn't make sense, he never posted a baseline.

Androidpk

07-09-2016, 01:07 AM

That doesn't make sense, he never posted a baseline.

What does Zimmerman have to do with drones and cartels?

Gelston

07-09-2016, 01:10 AM

What does Zimmerman have to do with drones and cartels?

Chipotle has salmonella.

Fallen

07-09-2016, 01:12 AM

Chipotle has salmonella.

Delicious, delicious salmonella.

Warriorbird

07-09-2016, 01:14 AM

What does Zimmerman have to do with drones and cartels?

I misunderstood something he said a while ago.

As for the drone comment, I think she was under the impression that we used them for surveillance but not for combat. If we are without publicizing it I'm sure she'd be happy. I certainly don't object to it.

Androidpk

07-09-2016, 01:15 AM

Chipotle is overrated. There is a burrito place in the Atlanta airport that makes killer burritos though. The best.

Gelston

07-09-2016, 01:15 AM

Chipotle is overrated. There is a burrito place in the Atlanta airport that makes killer burritos though. The best.

Yes, let's all travel to Atlanta Everytime we want a burrito.

Jarvan

07-09-2016, 01:17 AM

Probably a much higher risk of actually hitting a citizen as well.

Like we honestly give a fuck about that really.

Gelston

07-09-2016, 01:19 AM

Like we honestly give a fuck about that really.

It makes for great villain origin stories.

Androidpk

07-09-2016, 01:22 AM

It makes for great villain origin stories.

Fictional or non?

Gelston

07-09-2016, 01:24 AM

Fictional or non?

Real life isn't usually as poetic.

Androidpk

07-09-2016, 01:29 AM

Hrmm.. a rogue CIA agent uses a drone to wipe out a Yemeni village, killing all but one Yemeni boy who grows up under the tutelage of a blind monk and trains to become an assassin to get revenge. Starring Tom Cruise. I'd watch it.

Gelston

07-09-2016, 01:31 AM

Androidpk

07-09-2016, 01:34 AM

Well he has the height of a Japanese man.

Jarvan

07-09-2016, 06:37 AM

I am just curious...

The guy that killed the 5 cops.... did his life matter? Are we going to see protests and marches and whining and complaining over that guy's death?

drauz

07-09-2016, 06:55 AM

I am just curious...

The guy that killed the 5 cops.... did his life matter? Are we going to see protests and marches and whining and complaining over that guy's death?

#NoLifeMatters

http://i.imgur.com/giHQnBp.gif

Ososis

07-09-2016, 07:33 AM

I am just curious...

The guy that killed the 5 cops.... did his life matter? Are we going to see protests and marches and whining and complaining over that guy's death?

It did, up until 8:45PM central.

Warriorbird

07-09-2016, 07:57 AM

I am just curious...

The guy that killed the 5 cops.... did his life matter? Are we going to see protests and marches and whining and complaining over that guy's death?

Thankfully there already seems to be an internal movement against some of the people who used the worst rhetoric. You could think of this as covering their asses or you could think of this as a good thing. It's probably both.

Jarvan

07-09-2016, 08:11 AM

Thankfully there already seems to be an internal movement against some of the people who used the worst rhetoric. You could think of this as covering their asses or you could think of this as a good thing. It's probably both.

Well, there are numerous tweets with the hashtag BLM about not having killed enough cops, and kill more cops, etc etc

Parkbandit

07-09-2016, 08:23 AM

I was talking about a cop that was killed. Period. End of story. You went on to Hispanics and whites.

How fucking dare you not bring race into every political conversation! We need to put people into voting groups and the best way to do that is with skin color!!!

Fallen

07-09-2016, 08:45 AM

Well, there are numerous tweets with the hashtag BLM about not having killed enough cops, and kill more cops, etc etc

Yes, stupid people exist. What's your point? Are you attempting to say that protests against police brutality as a whole are flawed due to the beliefs of some within the movement?

Taernath

07-09-2016, 10:11 AM

Yes, stupid people exist. What's your point? Are you attempting to say that protests against police brutality as a whole are flawed due to the beliefs of some within the movement?

The guy represents BLM as much as he represents the military.

drauz

07-09-2016, 10:15 AM

The guy represents BLM as much as he represents the military.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY1c87CoaQg

drauz

07-09-2016, 10:18 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05qQDD14r9w

drauz

07-09-2016, 10:20 AM

Seems more than just a fringe few.

Gelston

07-09-2016, 10:21 AM

Seems more than just a fringe few.

Yeah. We should just send all the blacks back to Mexico.

Warriorbird

07-09-2016, 10:25 AM

I'm still baffled by the whole fact that white dudes holding guns are more likely to get shot than anybody else.

It'd be nice if Black Lives Matter could morph into addressing our country's drug/crime issues and the black murder rate but I'm not super confident.

Taernath

07-09-2016, 10:32 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY1c87CoaQg

There are examples of people calling for the death of cops. There are also people calling for the death of protesters. Remember when white supremacists shot up a BLM rally last year? They don't represent the anti-BLM side, do they?

The point is, there are fringe elements in every group that are not representative of the whole, especially when the guy who did the shooting here disavowed association with ANY group.

There's also this, but I don't expect a lot of people to accept it:
http://www.msnbc.com/the-reid-report/the-truth-about-the-dead-cops-chant

Gelston

07-09-2016, 10:44 AM

drauz

07-09-2016, 10:46 AM

There are examples of people calling for the death of cops. There are also people calling for the death of protesters. Remember when white supremacists shot up a BLM rally last year? They don't represent the anti-BLM side, do they?

The point is, there are fringe elements in every group that are not representative of the whole, especially when the guy who did the shooting here disavowed association with ANY group.

These are examples of major BLM protests calling for the death of cops... These aren't a couple people, these are tons of people in the movement, not a fringe group. I can say that the white supremacist groups are bad and wrong, and I can say that the BLM group, while it may have started with a noble goal, is bad and wrong. What something starts off as and what it is allowed to turn into are two different things.

Androidpk

07-09-2016, 10:57 AM

Taernath

07-09-2016, 10:59 AM

These are examples of major BLM protests calling for the death of cops... These aren't a couple people, these are tons of people in the movement, not a fringe group. I can say that the white supremacist groups are bad and wrong, and I can say that the BLM group, while it may have started with a noble goal, is bad and wrong. What something starts off as and what it is allowed to turn into are two different things.

That link I edited in refers to this. They say it was a small group who went through after the main protest was finished hours before.

And, of course, the organizers disapproved of it:

“On behalf of the Millions March NYC, we express our deepest condolences to the families of the officers who were killed on Saturday. Our march last weekend was a peaceful outcry that senseless violence in our society is harmful to trust, community, and security. This tragedy is in no way connected to our march, or ongoing protests against police brutality, discrimination, and profiling – and we condemn, and are disappointed with any entity that would try to imply such connection. As New Yorkers, we will continue to march for a peaceful society, where trust between communities and law enforcement is finally achieved.”

Gelston

07-09-2016, 10:59 AM

I've always seen BLM as a hashtag, nothing more. People go out to protest and use it.

drauz

07-09-2016, 11:05 AM

drauz

07-09-2016, 11:09 AM

I've always seen BLM as a hashtag, nothing more. People go out to protest and use it.

100% this. You can't have a loosely organized movement and then be surprised when it goes off the rails.

Warriorbird

07-09-2016, 11:57 AM

You should post all your GF's research, would be interested to see it.

If she publishes I'll link it. Otherwise you can analyze both the white supremacist Color of Crime paper and the Tim Wise response. She believes they're both wrong, though they use some of the same information sources that she does.

http://www.colorofcrime.com/2016/03/the-color-of-crime-2016-revised-edition/

http://www.timwise.org/2004/11/race-crime-and-sloppy-social-science/

She sort of went down this course because she was put off by this chart which was made from information from the Post. She kind of flipped on me when I was gonna use it to make an argument to you all because she thinks the comparatively high number number of black people killed by the cops versus the percentage of the population is a mostly useless statistic... to black people or the police.

https://d28wbuch0jlv7v.cloudfront.net/images/infografik/normal/chartoftheday_5211_us_citizens_killed_by_police_20 16_n.jpg

P.S.

She kicked me when I said "Male lives matter!"

Latrinsorm

07-09-2016, 02:35 PM

Parkbandit

07-09-2016, 02:47 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igQDvYOt_iA

Tgo01

07-09-2016, 03:00 PM

There is a wide range of possibilities between "a couple" and "tons". I see perhaps 50 people in your videos. For us to conclude that they are a majority would mean that there are 100 people involved in BLM. That's obviously absurd, so we shouldn't conclude that. On the other hand we have many, many, many instances of BLM protests where nobody called for dead police. Seems pretty straightforward, no?

You don't have to call for the killing of police officers for your movement to be dangerous.

Just send the message that you are being targeted and killed because of the color of your skin.

Tell these people white people, in particular white officers, are the ones doing the targeting and killing.

Send out a list of demands that basically insist all police officers are bad and the law should treat them as such, and all black people are innocent and the law should protect them.

Allow anyone to use your movement's name when protesting.

Don't strongly condemn those who wrongly use your name to call for the murder of police officers.

No, sending out a Tweet that basically amounts to "that shits whack, yo" isn't really strongly condemning actions enough.

All of this is a recipe for disaster. Pretending the BLM movement is "peaceful" is really a joke.

The KKK holds peaceful rallies all of the time, right? Yet they're still a racist hate group who have had people kill in their name, right?

Warriorbird

07-09-2016, 03:20 PM

You don't have to call for the killing of police officers for your movement to be dangerous.

Just send the message that you are being targeted and killed because of the color of your skin.

Tell these people white people, in particular white officers, are the ones doing the targeting and killing.

Send out a list of demands that basically insist all police officers are bad and the law should treat them as such, and all black people are innocent and the law should protect them.

Allow anyone to use your movement's name when protesting.

Don't strongly condemn those who wrongly use your name to call for the murder of police officers.

No, sending out a Tweet that basically amounts to "that shits whack, yo" isn't really strongly condemning actions enough.

All of this is a recipe for disaster. Pretending the BLM movement is "peaceful" is really a joke.

The KKK holds peaceful rallies all of the time, right? Yet they're still a racist hate group who have had people kill in their name, right?

BLM has a whole collection of issues and misplaced priorities but I don't quite think the majority of America considers them the equivalent of the KKK even after this.

Bill Ayers got to be pals with Obama.
The pro life movement still has a big seat at the Republican table.
SDS made a generation of Democratic party officials
The Tea Party and a whole collection of anti tax activists are welcome in conservative circles.

Hopefully BLM can reassess and become something that even if you don't agree with contributes something non violent/non inciting of violence.

Tgo01

07-09-2016, 03:29 PM

BLM has a whole collection of issues and misplaced priorities but I don't quite think the majority of America considers them the equivalent of the KKK even after this.

That's because white guilt is the strongest force behind the Democrat party.

drauz

07-09-2016, 03:44 PM

Warriorbird

07-09-2016, 04:46 PM

That's because white guilt is the strongest force behind the Democrat party.

That's certainly one take on it. You'd whine super hard about the opposite one. In fact you might even make it up when it doesn't happen and wear it like a badge of honor.

I'm hopeful for Black Lives Matter. Hell, I'm even hopeful for the Tea Party. They managed to change the Republicans for the first time in many years.

Tgo01

07-09-2016, 04:54 PM

That's certainly one take on it. You'd whine super hard about the opposite one. In fact you might even make it up when it doesn't happen and wear it like a badge of honor.

I'm hopeful for Black Lives Matter. Hell, I'm even hopeful for the Tea Party. They managed to change the Republicans for the first time in many years.

Yeah, I hope BLM stops promoting racial hatred and fear and anger towards the police, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

drauz

07-09-2016, 04:58 PM

I'm hopeful for Black Lives Matter.

I don't see how I can be, it is based on untruth. They would have to completely change their message.

I'm even hopeful for the Tea Party.

The Tea Party took what 10 seconds to get hijacked? You have to ask, did they change them for the better?

Latrinsorm

07-09-2016, 07:08 PM

You don't have to call for the killing of police officers for your movement to be dangerous.Anything can be dangerous. Not all dangerous things are calling for the death of cops. That's the specific claim I was responding to, that's the only specific claim I was responding to, and so the rest of your post has nothing to do with what I said. For the record the rest of your post was also internally inconsistent, but it's irrelevant so who cares.
I feel Tgo laid it out fairly well. Don't agree with all he said, but the majority is how I feel. If you tell someone, untruthfully, that X is the reason you have a bad lot in life and its not their fault. How do you think that person is going to feel towards X? Lovingly or with resentment, causing tensions.You fundamentally misunderstand the claims and goals of BLM. This is the whole problem with focusing on the fringes, and why people are encouraging you to broaden your vision.

Tgo01

07-09-2016, 07:11 PM

Anything can be dangerous.

This isn't an argument.

Wesley

07-09-2016, 07:50 PM

This isn't an argument.

How about this, then?

Let's assume your assertion that Black Lives Matter is at fault for this unaffiliated shooter in Dallas is true, completely glossing over the fact that every time anyone has endorsed violence against anyone, Black Lives Matter has spoken out against it.

By that -exact- same logic, all of Christianity is at fault for the Westboro Baptist Church protesting the funerals of soldiers and homosexuals.

By your logic, the second part there is even MORE true because the Westboro Baptist Church claims to be affiliated with Christianity in some way. The shooter in Dallas claimed affiliation specifically with no one.

Edit to add:

The shooter in Dallas was also a US Army Veteran. Is the US Army also to blame for these killings? Or is it just the group you seem to hate that's at fault?

Tgo01

07-09-2016, 07:58 PM

How about this, then?

Let's assume your assertion that Black Lives Matter is at fault for this unaffiliated shooter in Dallas is true, completely glossing over the fact that every time anyone has endorsed violence against anyone, Black Lives Matter has spoken out against it.

By that -exact- same logic, all of Christianity is at fault for the Westboro Baptist Church protesting the funerals of soldiers and homosexuals.

By your logic, the second part there is even MORE true because the Westboro Baptist Church claims to be affiliated with Christianity in some way. The shooter in Dallas claimed affiliation specifically with no one.

This is deflection and a straw man.

The Pope isn't up there saying the police are murdering Christians in the streets.

The Pope isn't saying every Christian is good and police in general are bad, therefore if a cop kills a Christian the cop is automatically bad and the Christian did no wrong.

The Pope isn't insisting Christians are "under attack" in this country and they need to fight back.

As far as this guy having "no affiliation" with anyone? Who cares? He said he was upset with what BLM was saying, that is he agreed with what they were saying and it pissed him off.

Your analogies would be perfect if BLM wasn't the one themselves causing the problems.

They first make it a racial issue; ignoring the fact that more whites are killed by cops than blacks.

They then insist all blacks killed by cops were doing nothing wrong thus cops are blood thirsty savages.

They then claim cops specifically target blacks because reasons.

BLM then claims we need to do something about COPS because obviously the problem lies squarely on their shoulders because once again, all blacks shot by police were on their way to bible study when they were gunned down by murderous pigs.

drauz

07-09-2016, 10:46 PM

You fundamentally misunderstand the claims and goals of BLM. This is the whole problem with focusing on the fringes, and why people are encouraging you to broaden your vision.

Some direct quotes, straight from their main website:

"We completely expect those who benefit directly and improperly from White supremacy to try and erase our existence. We fight that every day."

"#BlackLivesMatter doesn’t mean your life isn’t important–it means that Black lives, which are seen as without value within White supremacy, are important to your liberation."

"When we say Black Lives Matter, we are talking about the ways in which Black people are deprived of our basic human rights and dignity. It is an acknowledgement Black poverty and genocide is state violence. It is an acknowledgment that 1 million Black people are locked in cages in this country–one half of all people in prisons or jails–is an act of state violence. It is an acknowledgment that Black women continue to bear the burden of a relentless assault on our children and our families and that assault is an act of state violence. "

"Black Lives Matter is an ideological and political intervention in a world where Black lives are systematically and intentionally targeted for demise. "

What am I fundamentally misunderstanding?

Tgo01

07-09-2016, 11:05 PM

What am I fundamentally misunderstanding?

Your white privilege.

drauz

07-10-2016, 01:24 AM

I'd be surprised if anyone could even name a white person that was killed by police in suspicious circumstances without googling it first.

Taernath

07-10-2016, 01:46 AM

I'd be surprised if anyone could even name a white person that was killed by police in suspicious circumstances without googling it first.

I don't remember his name offhand, but there was that mentally ill guy who was shot for threatening an officer's dog.

drauz

07-10-2016, 01:55 AM

I don't remember his name offhand

I bet you can name a black person killed by the police offhand though. Even though twice as many white people are killed by police. Why is that? Hell there was a white kid that had the almost exact same story as Michael Brown, but I'd bet money you've never heard of Gilbert Collar.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/27/white-teen-gilbert-collar-killed-by-black-cop-trev/

Taernath

07-10-2016, 02:00 AM

I bet you can name a black person killed by the police offhand though. Even though twice as many white people are killed by police. Why is that? Hell there was a white kid that had the almost exact same story as Michael Brown, but I'd bet money you've never heard of Gilbert Collar.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/27/white-teen-gilbert-collar-killed-by-black-cop-trev/

No, I am pretty bad with names. In a couple of weeks I'll probably forget these last two. But I remember the circumstances.

Gelston

07-10-2016, 08:21 AM

I bet you can name a black person killed by the police offhand though. Even though twice as many white people are killed by police. Why is that? Hell there was a white kid that had the almost exact same story as Michael Brown, but I'd bet money you've never heard of Gilbert Collar.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/27/white-teen-gilbert-collar-killed-by-black-cop-trev/

I can't actually remember the names offhand, but I do remember the locations.

Warriorbird

07-10-2016, 08:42 AM

Black lives matter. The issue is an absolutely horrific murder rate of black people mostly NOT by police officers.

The unfortunate problem is BLM thinks that tiny percentage is the issue.

Parkbandit

07-10-2016, 10:37 AM

Black lives matter. The issue is an absolutely horrific murder rate of black people mostly NOT by police officers.

The unfortunate problem is BLM thinks that tiny percentage is the issue.

Black on black crime doesn't push forward an agenda and therefore is not politically important.

Warriorbird

07-10-2016, 10:42 AM

Black on black crime doesn't push forward an agenda and therefore is not politically important.

It could if they pointed out the drug law/enforcement issues. Sadly they won't.

drauz

07-10-2016, 11:16 AM

It could if they pointed out the drug law/enforcement issues. Sadly they won't.

Would it surprise you to learn that it was in part black leaders that pushed for tougher drug laws in their cities and communities? Including mandatory minimums and the disparity seen between crack and cocaine sentencing?

Warriorbird

07-10-2016, 11:41 AM

Would it surprise you to learn that it was in part black leaders that pushed for tougher drug laws in their cities and communities? Including mandatory minimums and the disparity seen between crack and cocaine sentencing?

I know that a lot of Nelson Rockefeller's support in New York was black, so not so much. Quite believable.

Methais

07-10-2016, 12:10 PM

http://i.imgur.com/GmRfm.gif

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/289/581/7c5.gif

Lucio cosplay on the left before Lucio existed.

Latrinsorm

07-10-2016, 03:28 PM

Some direct quotes, straight from their main website:

"We completely expect those who benefit directly and improperly from White supremacy to try and erase our existence. We fight that every day."

"#BlackLivesMatter doesn’t mean your life isn’t important–it means that Black lives, which are seen as without value within White supremacy, are important to your liberation."

"When we say Black Lives Matter, we are talking about the ways in which Black people are deprived of our basic human rights and dignity. It is an acknowledgement Black poverty and genocide is state violence. It is an acknowledgment that 1 million Black people are locked in cages in this country–one half of all people in prisons or jails–is an act of state violence. It is an acknowledgment that Black women continue to bear the burden of a relentless assault on our children and our families and that assault is an act of state violence. "

"Black Lives Matter is an ideological and political intervention in a world where Black lives are systematically and intentionally targeted for demise. "

What am I fundamentally misunderstanding?That none of those are "If you tell someone, untruthfully, that X is the reason you have a bad lot in life and its not their fault." There are white supremacists in this country, they do have power (including in the government), and they do target black people (as well as other minorities). Those facts in no way claim to be the reason a given black person has a bad lot in life, or whether a given black person was or was not targeted or otherwise impacted by said racists, or to what extent anything is anyone's fault.

Jeril

07-10-2016, 07:01 PM

http://endingthefed.com/chick-fil-a-just-dropped-a-bomb-on-black-lives-matterpolice-officers-are-pumped.html

Gelston

07-10-2016, 07:05 PM

http://endingthefed.com/chick-fil-a-just-dropped-a-bomb-on-black-lives-matterpolice-officers-are-pumped.html

How exactly is that an attack on BLM? It is just the Back the Blue phrase which has existed since well before BLM and is put all over everything any time a police death(s) occurs.

Tgo01

07-10-2016, 07:20 PM

How exactly is that an attack on BLM?

As far as I can tell BLM takes the "You're either with us or against us" approach. So you either shout BLM or you're a racist.

Shit, even being "with them" isn't good enough, I have often seen black people in the BLM movement verbally attack white supporters because white people made the mistake of acting equal to black people.

Black people in the BLM movement are supposed to be center stage, gathering all of the attention, as far as I can tell many BLM black supporters just want whites on the sidelines, having a "conversation" with other whites about how privileged and racist they are.

But BLM is totally not a racist movement.

Warriorbird

07-10-2016, 07:22 PM

As far as I can tell BLM takes the "You're either with us or against us" approach.

Something you're quite familiar with right?

Tgo01

07-10-2016, 07:24 PM

Something you're quite familiar with right?

W was the man.

Latrinsorm

07-10-2016, 09:41 PM

http://endingthefed.com/chick-fil-a-just-dropped-a-bomb-on-black-lives-matterpolice-officers-are-pumped.html
It’s not too often a large company like Chick-fil-A gets involved in a controversial topichttp://rs1239.pbsrc.com/albums/ff518/CosmoK71/Comics/joker-notsureifserious.gif~c200
W was the man.http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/images/smilies/yep.gif

drauz

07-10-2016, 10:44 PM

That none of those are "If you tell someone, untruthfully, that X is the reason you have a bad lot in life and its not their fault." There are white supremacists in this country, they do have power (including in the government), and they do target black people (as well as other minorities). Those facts in no way claim to be the reason a given black person has a bad lot in life, or whether a given black person was or was not targeted or otherwise impacted by said racists, or to what extent anything is anyone's fault.

Just as their are black supremacists, but thats not the words they used now is it? White supremacy and white supremacists are different words with different meanings.

Warriorbird

07-10-2016, 10:56 PM

Just as their are black supremacists, but thats not the words they used now is it? White supremacy and white supremacists are different words with different meanings.

I do think people will characterize them differently than the Nation of Islam and the New Black Panther Party still if they clean up their acts.

Wesley

07-10-2016, 11:06 PM

As far as I can tell BLM takes the "You're either with us or against us" approach. So you either shout BLM or you're a racist.

Shit, even being "with them" isn't good enough, I have often seen black people in the BLM movement verbally attack white supporters because white people made the mistake of acting equal to black people.

Black people in the BLM movement are supposed to be center stage, gathering all of the attention, as far as I can tell many BLM black supporters just want whites on the sidelines, having a "conversation" with other whites about how privileged and racist they are.

But BLM is totally not a racist movement.

Source?

Warriorbird

07-10-2016, 11:09 PM

Source?

He's a pundit.

Wesley

07-10-2016, 11:12 PM

He's a pundit.

I'm pretty sure you misspelled hate-filled racist.

Tgo01

07-10-2016, 11:17 PM

Source?

Sure, right here:

I'm pretty sure you misspelled hate-filled racist.

Thanks for proving my point for me.

Wesley

07-10-2016, 11:20 PM

So you have no source, then? Just makin' sure.

Warriorbird

07-10-2016, 11:23 PM

I'm pretty sure you misspelled hate-filled racist.

Tgo01, like the Republican Party, isn't actually a hate filled racist. All he cares about are votes. He believes that most racism comes from black people and their white supporters claiming racism. He's actually gone so far as to pretend that other people have called him racist when they haven't just to wear it like a badge of honor. He certainly believes that there are white supremacists in the world but he feels that they are marginalized fringe elements without much of a real impact. He likes jumping up and down and thumping his chest about racist elements in the Democratic Party because in his mind that means the Republican Party can't be racist.

To him the fact that Black Lives Matter could be wrong about the police somehow invalidates the fact that black America has a lot of issues that are to a definite degree tied into the actions of white America. He probably also believes that positive things done for black people are "keeping them down" in spite of somehow wanting a more liberal healthcare policy yet supporting the party that wants to do very little of note for anybody. Since he has a profound disconnect with history and the present and feels he has important advice that black people will both listen to and deserve to hear it especially upsets him that parts of Black Lives Matter don't much love the police. In his mind this somehow makes them evil black supremacists and the equivalent of the KKK. This is an especially hilarious claim if you track the actions of the KKK since Reconstruction.

I have as much grounds to claim this stuff as he does to talk about Black Lives Matter.

Added note:

I'm sure he's super excited that you called him a racist.

Tgo01

07-10-2016, 11:26 PM

So you have no source, then?

I provided a source, don't get pissed at me because you ended up making yourself look like an idiot in a span of 6 minutes.

drauz

07-10-2016, 11:27 PM

So you have no source, then? Just makin' sure.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/16/black-lives-matter-protesters-berate-white-student/

Wesley

07-10-2016, 11:28 PM

Tgo01

07-10-2016, 11:31 PM

Where?

As far as I can tell BLM takes the "You're either with us or against us" approach. So you either shout BLM or you're a racist.

I'm pretty sure you misspelled hate-filled racist.

You're just fucking with me now, right? You can't be more dense than time4fun.

Also are you going to comment on the link drauz provided? I mean I can provide links, but why bother when you yourself provided all the evidence anyone reading these posts need?

drauz

07-10-2016, 11:37 PM

To him the fact that Black Lives Matter could be wrong about the police somehow invalidates the fact that black America has a lot of issues that are to a definite degree tied into the actions of white America.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esnfrlKvr9Y

Wesley

07-10-2016, 11:37 PM

I mean I can provide links

As far as I can tell BLM takes the "You're either with us or against us" approach. So you either shout BLM or you're a racist.

Shit, even being "with them" isn't good enough, I have often seen black people in the BLM movement verbally attack white supporters because white people made the mistake of acting equal to black people.

Black people in the BLM movement are supposed to be center stage, gathering all of the attention, as far as I can tell many BLM black supporters just want whites on the sidelines, having a "conversation" with other whites about how privileged and racist they are.

But BLM is totally not a racist movement.

I provided a source

Yes. Provide links that state that the BLM group has denounced white supporters because they feel they're inferior. Provide links that the BLM group wants white people on the sidelines. These are the things you just said. Not taken out of context. They are literally things you just said, and are quoted above. I'd like the links. If you have no basis for having learned these things from any sort of credible journalism, then your source is "Fantasy land". If your source is credible, I may change my opinion of you. I have that ability. Currently, my opinion is that I had no idea that people like you still existed in modern days. I'd heard stories, and figured they were exaggerated, but I've been fortunate enough to live in a part of the country largely untouched by this sort of thinking.

drauz

07-10-2016, 11:41 PM

Currently, my opinion is that I had no idea that people like you still existed in modern days. I'd heard stories, and figured they were exaggerated, but I've been fortunate enough to live in a part of the country largely untouched by this sort of thinking.

You seem to be conflating "I don't think BLM is a good movement" with "I don't like black people".

Warriorbird

07-10-2016, 11:43 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esnfrlKvr9Y

Eh. I didn't say white people were privileged. If anything, my implication is that we really fucking love drugs.

Gelston

07-10-2016, 11:45 PM

So you have no source, then? Just makin' sure.

Just came back and already being retarded.

Gelston

07-10-2016, 11:46 PM

Eh. I didn't say white people were privileged. If anything, my implication is that we really fucking love drugs.

I'm privileged. Everyone in the US is. Most people have no idea how much it fucking sucks in other places.

Warriorbird

07-10-2016, 11:48 PM

I'm privileged. Everyone in the US is. Most people have no idea how much it fucking sucks in other places.

Everybody who's an American citizen has quite a lot. Even those who aren't citizens have something. I didn't really believe that until I saw the wreckage of post Communist Romania while I was in college. I don't believe it's strictly tied to race what we have but our country.

Tgo01

07-10-2016, 11:49 PM

Yes. Provide links that state that the BLM group has denounced white supporters because they feel they're inferior.

I said I've seen people doing it, as in on Facebook and internet forums and that whole shit that went down on that one college campus where only the black students were allowed in the inner circle or whatever and the white students had to stay outside the circle. I didn't say it was a specific policy of BLM that I can easily quote and link. You are free to live in your bubble that everyone in the BLM movement is great and does no wrong, but I'll stick to reality. Thank you.

Currently, my opinion is that I had no idea that people like you still existed in modern days.

"People like me"? And who exactly is "people like me"?

Also...

Also are you going to comment on the link drauz provided?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Wesley

07-10-2016, 11:50 PM

You seem to be conflating "I don't think BLM is a good movement" with "I don't like black people".

That's entirely possible, and it's what I'm trying to find out. If he has credible news sources for his views there, then I very well could be wrong. But I won't call myself wrong without those links he promised that state the Black Lives Matter movement has denounced white supporters because they're inferior, and that Black Lives Matter wants white people to remain on the sidelines. If he has credible journalistic sources for those thoughts, absolutely my mind can and may be changed about it. If he doesn't have credible sources, then there's another reason for his reasoning.

drauz

07-10-2016, 11:51 PM

Eh. I didn't say white people were privileged. If anything, my implication is that we really fucking love drugs.

Thats the title, watch the video. Start at about 2:50 and watch from there.

Gelston

07-10-2016, 11:54 PM

Everybody who's an American citizen has quite a lot. Even those who aren't citizens have something. I didn't really believe that until I saw the wreckage of post Communist Romania while I was in college. I don't believe it's strictly tied to race what we have but our country.

We can always be better, but the "ghetto" is some sweet fucking living compared to about 80% of the world. These folks living there, gangs and shit, yeah... they don't have shit on African warlords, Colombian drug cartels, Mexican cartels, I can go on forever. Is there room for improvement? Always. There is no need for violence though. No need to push for it.

Warriorbird

07-10-2016, 11:59 PM

Thats the title, watch the video. Start at about 2:50 and watch from there.

I didn't claim "insitutional racism" either. I suggest, as I have before, that white America really fucking loves drugs. Originally you have Nixon and his cronies working to tie the "War on Drugs" to hippies and black America but I wouldn't suggest that racism has guided the "War on Drugs" since. Since the start of said prohibition (note me not trying to take anyone's freedom here either, just the opposite really) we've both popularized drugs more and provided drug dealing as a tremendous tax free entrepreneurial opportunity to black America which has simultaneously worked to deny further opportunity and ramp up the murder rate, largely by black people, on other black people.

For specifics (and because I've dealt with people like Shapiro for years) I'd suggest we move to a policy on drugs similar to Portugal's which features full marijuana legalization and people effectively being sentenced to rehab for other offenses. This'd help clean up our border policy and destabilize all sorts of bad people at the same time.

We can always be better, but the "ghetto" is some sweet fucking living compared to about 80% of the world. These folks living there, gangs and shit, yeah... they don't have shit on African warlords, Colombian drug cartels, Mexican cartels, I can go on forever. Is there room for improvement? Always. There is no need for violence though. No need to push for it.

There certainly isn't a need for violence. We've established an adversarial system tied into a bunch of shitty laws when the citizens of those parts of the country should be happy to receive help.

Tgo01

07-11-2016, 12:00 AM

That's entirely possible, and it's what I'm trying to find out. If he has credible news sources for his views there, then I very well could be wrong. But I won't call myself wrong without those links he promised that state the Black Lives Matter movement has denounced white supporters because they're inferior, and that Black Lives Matter wants white people to remain on the sidelines. If he has credible journalistic sources for those thoughts, absolutely my mind can and may be changed about it. If he doesn't have credible sources, then there's another reason for his reasoning.

Really? You're going to admit you're wrong and apologize if I provide some links that back up some of the shit I said?

Awesome.

Here's one:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/22/black-lives-matter-slams-public-librarys-racist-ba/

“Due to white supremacy in our local government, this week’s BLM General Body Meeting location has changed,” reads a notice posted Friday on the group’s Facebook page. “BLM General Body meetings are open to black and non-black people of color only.”

How about this one:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/03/no-whites-allowed-at-boston-black-lives-matter-meeting-about-deadly-police-shooting-of-black-criminal/

The meeting announced by the Boston chapter of Black Lives Matter states it will be a “People of Color ONLY space.”

And about that school shit that I mentioned earlier:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/11/11/mizzou-demonstrators-segregate-white-allies-to-form-black-only-healing-space/

Prominent Black Lives Matter activist Johnetta Elzie seemingly confirmed those with Caucasian skin were asked to leave the area, tweeting that the group had created a “black only healing space for the students to share, decompress, be vulnerable & real.”

I eagerly await your apology and admission you were wrong.

drauz

07-11-2016, 12:01 AM

Gelston

07-11-2016, 12:02 AM

Tgo hates himself a lot because he is black. Fucking racist.

drauz

07-11-2016, 12:16 AM

]I didn't claim "insitutional racism" either. I suggest, as I have before, that white America really fucking loves drugs.

Well the post I was replying to sure sounded like "institutional" racism was the problem. Don't think you mentioned drugs in it, though you have before.

]Since the start of said prohibition (note me not trying to take anyone's freedom here either, just the opposite really) we've both popularized drugs more and provided drug dealing as a tremendous tax free entrepreneurial opportunity to black America which has simultaneously worked to deny further opportunity and ramp up the murder rate, largely by black people, on other black people and deny opportunity.

This "entrepreneurial opportunity", is robbery then also a "entrepreneurial opportunity"? That aside, what is stopping them from making the "right" choices?

Wesley

07-11-2016, 12:21 AM

Really? You're going to admit you're wrong and apologize if I provide some links that back up some of the shit I said?

Awesome.

Here's one:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/22/black-lives-matter-slams-public-librarys-racist-ba/

How about this one:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/03/no-whites-allowed-at-boston-black-lives-matter-meeting-about-deadly-police-shooting-of-black-criminal/

And about that school shit that I mentioned earlier:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/11/11/mizzou-demonstrators-segregate-white-allies-to-form-black-only-healing-space/

I eagerly await your apology and admission you were wrong.

Thank you. I just read them, and they are legitimate news sources. That is backwards, and pretty much the opposite of the integration fought for in the civil rights movement. I'm not convinced that the BLM on the whole or even the majority of the people who support it support that sort of segregation, but those links are enough for me to say: I apologize, and I was wrong to assume that what you said was too far fetched to come from any point but racism.

I still disagree with you on a large number of things that you've said, but on this one, you were in the right. I was in the wrong. I'm sorry.

Gelston

07-11-2016, 12:27 AM

I still disagree with you on a large number of things that you've said, but on this one, you were in the right. I was in the wrong. I'm sorry.

So, we don't allow that here, retract and fight on.

drauz

07-11-2016, 12:32 AM

Thank you. I just read them, and they are legitimate news sources. That is backwards, and pretty much the opposite of the integration fought for in the civil rights movement. I'm not convinced that the BLM on the whole or even the majority of the people who support it support that sort of segregation, but those links are enough for me to say: I apologize, and I was wrong to assume that what you said was too far fetched to come from any point but racism.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the human race.

It takes a big man to admit when hes wrong. Good on you.

I am not being sarcastic

Warriorbird

07-11-2016, 12:50 AM

Well the post I was replying to sure sounded like "institutional" racism was the problem. Don't think you mentioned drugs in it, though you have before.

This "entrepreneurial opportunity", is robbery then also a "entrepreneurial opportunity"? That aside, what is stopping them from making the "right" choices?

There's the chance to make money and the violence/destruction of communities that come along with it. The best way for a community to rise out of poverty is to see examples of successful professionals in that community and the very violence associated with our country's drug problem acts as an incentive against that happening.

I think addressing these laws will certainly help. I think a lot of positive change could be enabled through both law enforcement and the community without that specter over it. Simultaneously I like earlier courses for all American students on how to deal with a wider society. I also like the recent and educationally edgy notion of running much of the required courses of high school in the first two years and then letting students chose their focus between vocational, community college, and four year college. On the more conservative end I like work requirements (with childcare) for both food stamps and disability patients (based on the limit they're supposed to be able to perform.)

Enuch

07-11-2016, 05:47 AM

http://endingthefed.com/chick-fil-a-just-dropped-a-bomb-on-black-lives-matterpolice-officers-are-pumped.html

Cool concept by chik fil a, even if the author is horrible at hiding bias. This isn't their first company wide thing though is it? We're they the one that took heAt about their stand on gay marriage? Not saying they made shirts lol but I feel like I remember hearing at least that one of their super big dogs sent a message saying something about wholesome families or something

Methais

07-11-2016, 09:59 AM

Cool concept by chik fil a, even if the author is horrible at hiding bias. This isn't their first company wide thing though is it? We're they the one that took heAt about their stand on gay marriage? Not saying they made shirts lol but I feel like I remember hearing at least that one of their super big dogs sent a message saying something about wholesome families or something

They pretty much said they don't support gay marriage but don't have a problem with gay people, which of course means they're a bigoted hate group that wants all gay people to die slow and horrible deaths.

Taernath

07-11-2016, 11:10 AM

They pretty much said they don't support gay marriage but don't have a problem with gay people, which of course means they're a bigoted hate group that wants all gay people to die slow and horrible deaths.

They donated millions to groups that fought against anti discrimination laws, marriage rights, and advocated/used gay conversion therapy. They were definitely not live and let live.

Methais

07-11-2016, 11:39 AM

They donated millions to groups that fought against anti discrimination laws, marriage rights, and advocated/used gay conversion therapy. They were definitely not live and let live.

Yet every gay person that worked there that spoke about working there said it was always a pleasant environment and they never felt threatened or hated or had anything negative to say about the place at all and only had good things to say about their experience working there.

Clearly a hate group that just wants gays to die.

Taernath

07-11-2016, 11:46 AM

Yet every gay person that worked there that spoke about working there said it was always a pleasant environment and they never felt threatened or hated or had anything negative to say about the place at all and only had good things to say about their experience working there.

Clearly a hate group that just wants gays to die.

That's a really weird, unverifiable claim to make. It also has no bearing on what I posted earlier.

Gelston

07-11-2016, 11:47 AM

They pretty much said they don't support gay marriage but don't have a problem with gay people, which of course means they're a bigoted hate group that wants all gay people to die slow and horrible deaths.

That was the owners. They've sorta divorced Chik-fil-a from their personal/political views now.

Gelston

07-11-2016, 12:58 PM

drauz

07-11-2016, 01:01 PM

If you want to see the shooter's body, here you go...

I'm not embedding it, so as to give you a choice of whether to click or not..

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13615348_1080044168730747_6268235572472612004_n.jp g?oh=2d611d69741efea4c20bdeca05e3a456&oe=57F888B0

Just heard he wrote "RB" with his own blood around where he was taken down. They are still trying to figure out what it means.

subzero

07-11-2016, 03:59 PM

gunned down by murderous pigs.

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/10300000/Pig-Cop-duke-nukem-10393165-200-200.jpg

Hail to the King, baby!

Parkbandit

07-11-2016, 04:41 PM

Just heard he wrote "RB" with his own blood around where he was taken down. They are still trying to figure out what it means.

Clearly it means rubidium and he's warning us all about it's use as propellant in ion spacecrafts.

Or he's telling us we SHOULD use it. DAMMIT, WHY DID WE HAVE TO KILL HIM!?

Methais

07-11-2016, 05:04 PM

That's a really weird, unverifiable claim to make. It also has no bearing on what I posted earlier.

Let me try again.

Every gay person that worked there that was interviewed on record.

Parkbandit

07-11-2016, 05:14 PM

Let me try again.

Every gay person that worked there that was interviewed on record.

You must be in the pocket of Big Chicken.

Latrinsorm

07-12-2016, 08:23 PM

Just as their are black supremacists, but thats not the words they used now is it? White supremacy and white supremacists are different words with different meanings.Okay. In what way are they different?

drauz

07-12-2016, 08:55 PM

Okay. In what way are they different?

In one you are talking about specific people in the other you are talking about society as a whole. They aren't talking about the KKK when they say white supremacy. They are saying white people as a whole are to blame. Much like feminism blames their problems on the patriarchy. They are helping to stoke a us vs them mentality.

Maybe I am reading it wrong and they really are talking about groups like the KKK, but I feel like the real word they are trying to use is "white society".

Latrinsorm

07-12-2016, 09:00 PM

In one you are talking about specific people in the other you are talking about society as a whole. They aren't talking about the KKK when they say white supremacy. They are saying white people as a whole are to blame. Much like feminism blames their problems on the patriarchy. They are helping to stoke a us vs them mentality. Maybe I am reading it wrong and they really are talking about groups like the KKK, but I feel like the real word they are trying to use is "white society".You are reading it wrong (please see point 8 (http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-misconceptions-about-the-black-lives-matter-movement/)), and for the record you also have a wildly distorted view of feminism.

Gelston

07-12-2016, 09:00 PM

drauz

07-12-2016, 09:07 PM

You are reading it wrong (please see point 8 (http://blacklivesmatter.com/11-major-misconceptions-about-the-black-lives-matter-movement/)), and for the record you also have a wildly distorted view of feminism.

Yeah that link doesn't have anything to do with the quotes I provided.

I'm not going to argue with you about feminism, but I will say the vocal and modern day feminists do seem to blame a lot of shit on the patriarchy. You can say the "No true scotsman" fallacy all you want.

Latrinsorm

07-16-2016, 04:53 PM

In one you are talking about specific people in the other you are talking about society as a whole."#8 Misconception. The movement hates white people.
The statement “black lives matter” is not an anti-white proposition."

This explicitly and directly contradicts your depiction of the movement. They are explicitly NOT talking about white people as a whole. They could not have made this point any clearer.
I'm not going to argue with you about feminism, but I will say the vocal and modern day feminists do seem to blame a lot of shit on the patriarchy. You can say the "No true scotsman" fallacy all you want.There are absolutely feminists that blame everything on the patriarchy, and even those that hate all men. In the same way that white supremacy and white supremacists are different concepts, feminism and feminists are different concepts. Not bad, eh? :)