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Goat
05-24-2016, 12:56 AM
Daedus and I tried out implosion on the test server. Each of us is capped. He did the casting (turned himself into an implodebot). He had 159 sorcerer ranks during all testing.

At 0 ranks spell aim, basically nothing matters in terms of skills, stats, or stance. The most highly-defended trial, in terms of PF, CM, Perception, AGI, and DEX, etc., was about as bad as the least-defended one. Differences between cases is fairly easily explained away as experimental variance.

Armor did seem to make a difference here... that, or padding (not sure which). After removing HCP doubles, deaths jump from an average of 12.14 per 100 to 18. Vaporize deaths jump from an average of 2.71 per 100 to 8. Stun rate (on non-deaths) jumps from 86% to 96%.

Against 202 ranks of spell aim, it's much the same story. You're going to die more than half the time no matter what, and when you don't die, you'll end up stunned 99% of the time.

However, there is a modest, but significant-looking dropoff in stun length (from 5.5 to 4.8) and damage (from 38.45 to 29.00) by adding +12 AGI bonus and +15 DEX bonus after already adding all other defenses. No accompanying drop in deaths or number of stuns.

I tried HCP doubles vs plain doubles vs no armor at the 202 spell aim level (with max defenses otherwise).
HCP doubles: 4.81 avg stun, 58% death rate
Plain doubles: 5.79 avg stun, 66% death rate
No armor: 6.33 avg stun, 64% death rate

So it seems no amount of training will make a difference in focused implosion defense, nor will stats. Armor seems to matter. From previous experience, I assume level matters (not tested), and that being prone or stunned makes a big difference (also not tested). So really, the only thing you can do with sentries, vaespilons, etc. is to get to them before they get to you. Or maybe wear crazy armor. Or perhaps 3x PF would be enough to move the needle.

I plan to post a chart summarizing all 17 different trials, in a follow-up post.

Gelston
05-24-2016, 01:03 AM
Try out encumbrance levels too!

Tgo01
05-24-2016, 01:09 AM
That's a lot of interesting info. Thanks for doing all of the testing you two.

Goat
05-24-2016, 01:11 AM
Each trial summarizes exactly 100 implosions.

Caster: 0 spell aim ranks
PF Ranks|CM ranks|Percep ranks|AGI|DEX|Stance|Armor|Weapon in hand|"not very close"|"close enough"|"directly above"|vaporize deaths|total deaths|stuns|mean stun rounds|max stun rounds|stun on non-deaths|mean damage*|VNMP**|max damage*
15 | 10 | 0 | 108 (34) | 104 (37) | Def | HCP doubles | Pike | 82 | 18 | 0 | 2 | 12 | 72 | 3.65 | 8 | 81.8% | 21.08 | 21.51 | 125
101 | 15 | 10 | 108 (34) | 104 (37) | Def | HCP doubles | Pike | 76 | 24 | 0 | 5 | 13 | 73 | 3.93 | 10 | 83.9% | 26.84 | 28.25 | 143
101 | 137 | 10 | 108 (34) | 104 (37) | Def | HCP doubles | Pike | 80 | 20 | 0 | 5 | 14 | 78 | 3.55 | 10 | 90.7% | 26.10 | 27.47 | 143
101 | 137 | 101 | 108 (34) | 104 (37) | Def | HCP doubles | Pike | 78 | 22 | 0 | 0 | 14 | 76 | 3.53 | 10 | 88.4% | 23.60 | 23.60 | 143
101 | 137 | 202 | 108 (34) | 104 (37) | Def | HCP doubles | Pike | 76 | 24 | 0 | 3 | 14 | 74 | 3.87 | 10 | 86.0% | 25.46 | 26.24 | 143
101 | 151 | 202 | 133 (46) | 135 (52) | Def | HCP doubles | Naginata*** | 76 | 24 | 0 | 3 | 11 | 80 | 3.73 | 10 | 89.9% | 26.51 | 27.32 | 143
101 | 151 | 202 | 133 (46) | 135 (52) | Off | HCP doubles | Naginata | 85 | 15 | 0 | 1 | 7 | 80 | 3.81 | 10 | 86.0% | 24.48 | 24.72 | 143
101 | 137 | 202 | 133 (46) | 135 (52) | Def | No Armor | Naginata | 77 | 23 | 0 | 8 | 18 | 79 | 4.44 | 10 | 96.3% | 33.61 | 36.53 | 143


Caster: 202 spell aim ranks All trials were 100 "directly above" messages (no "not very close" and no "close enough" so I've omitted them from this chart. Same for max stun, which was 10 rounds in all cases.
PF Ranks|CM ranks|Percep ranks|AGI|DEX|Stance|Armor|Weapon in hand|vaporize deaths|total deaths|stuns|mean stun rounds|stun on non-deaths|mean damage*|VNMP**|max damage*
15 | 10 | 0 | 108 (34) | 104 (37) | Def | HCP doubles | Pike | 43 | 63 | 37 | 5.45 | 100% | 39.99 | 70.15 | 147
101 | 10 | 0 | 108 (34) | 104 (37) | Def | HCP doubles | Pike | 43 | 56 | 44 | 5.18 | 100% | 33.05 | 57.98 | 143
101 | 137 | 0 | 108 (34) | 104 (37) | Def | HCP doubles | Pike | 40 | 53 | 47 | 5.14 | 100% | 37.94 | 63.23 | 147
101 | 137 | 101 | 108 (34) | 104 (37) | Def | HCP doubles | Pike | 40 | 57 | 43 | 6.04 | 100% | 40.43 | 67.38 | 143
101 | 137 | 202 | 108 (34) | 104 (37) | Def | HCP doubles | Pike | 43 | 54 | 45 | 5.82 | 97.8% | 40.84 | 71.64 | 147
101 | 151 | 202 | 133 (46) | 135 (52) | Def | HCP doubles | Naginata | 46 | 58 | 42 | 4.81 | 100% | 29.00 | 52.70 | 148
101 | 151 | 202 | 133 (46) | 135 (52) | Off | HCP doubles | Naginata | 52 | 59 | 41 | 5.02 | 100% | 28.77 | 59.93 | 143
101 | 137 | 202 | 133 (46) | 135 (52) | Def | No armor | Naginata | 58 | 64 | 36 | 6.33 | 100% | 25.22 | 60.04 | 137
101 | 137 | 202 | 133 (46) | 135 (52) | Def | plain doubles | Naginata | 56 | 66 | 34 | 5.79 | 100% | 32.94 | 74.86 | 144


*Mean and max damage aren't fully comparable between the 15 PF trials and 101 PF trials, because 15 PF wasn't quite enough to max out my HP. I should've tested 18 ranks instead.
**Vaporization-Normalized Mean Damage: (total damage)/(casts that did not result in vap death). Vap deaths don't deal damage directly.
***It's a fusion naginata with AGI and DEX orbs

(This table is now complete - 17 runs of 100 implosions. ~300 other implosions were discarded because of an error in testing setup.)

nindon
05-24-2016, 02:37 PM
Was the target person wearing any defensive spells? Spells 102 and 207 are rumored to defend against some aspects of open implosions.

Were all of the casts in your tests against the same person? If not, do you have any thoughts about how intuition may have impacted the results?

Goat
05-24-2016, 04:25 PM
Same target (Dergoatean) for all tests. No spells.

Goat
05-24-2016, 04:26 PM
Try out encumbrance levels too!

I think if I do any more, I'll move on the spikethorn and boil earth. I guess I can provide scripts for anyone interested in doing their own testing.