Obama administration to instruct schools to accommodate transgender students

[drauz]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-administration-to-instruct-schools-to-accommodate-transgender-students/2016/05/12/0ed1c50e-18ab-11e6-aa55-670cabef46e0_story.html

http://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-administration-directs-public-schools-on-transgender-bathroom-rights-1463112023

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/05/12/feds-schools-transgender-bathrooms-letter-title-ix/84311104/

I see no way that a high/middle schooler could abuse this...

[Tgo01]

I wonder how long before a girl complains that they don't want to shower with a boy who claims he identifies as female.

[drauz]

I wonder how long before a girl complains that they don't want to shower with a boy who claims he identifies as female.

Exactly. That transphobic bitch!

[Tgo01]

Exactly. That transphobic bitch!

Yup. I can already hear those on the left calling that girl exactly that.

[GS4Pirate]

The SJW will always end up eating it's own, it's really not about the endgame for them, it's about being noticed during the game. We already see signs of this within some of these movements, BLM turning on white supporters of the movement, even within the LGBT community there are those that are not considered "Gay enough" and are disliked by the community.

[Jarvan]

I really don't understand why people get upset when others say that you should use a restroom that you have the parts for.

If you identify as a woman but born a man, fine, once you get the dick cut off, feel free to use the woman's rest room. Until then, you are a man, and use the men's.

Ultimately I don't think it matters. There are places that have co-ed bathrooms, and for adults, I couldn't care less really. If it upsets you that much, find a reg bathroom, or hold it till your home.

But it's a different thing when you start getting into kids... Just mystifies me. I thought the left was all about protecting kids. No.. now we have a situation where they are more concerned about getting the LGBT vote then protecting kids.

This part also horrifies me .. "they risk losing federal education aid if they limit students to areas or teams based on their gender assigned at birth."

So... men on the women's swim teams? Girls playing football? (could care less about the second really, go for it if you can hack it)

I can't tell you how many boys in MY HS would have said.. "Oh yeah, I am really a girl" just to get to shower with the girls. (Hell, we had 4 rapes ~IN~ my HS so as it was)

Boy wants to get a college scholarship but just not quite good enough as a man, just claim to be female on the inside, run track, and there you go.. all state. Generally wouldn't apply as much in reverse, but I could still see it.

Come on... lets get real here. You know how fucked up this world is... could you imagine a girl that feels she is a guy on a male soccer team on an away game where they have to spend the night? Gang rape just waiting to happen. Oh wait.. will you require a female chaperon in that case? But... she ISN'T a female.. right?

These people need to get their head out of their ass. Not everything is a civil rights violation. Telling a 15 year old boy he has to shower with boys not girls is not a civil rights violation.

You know what.. Fuck it... I "Identify" as a Black native American. I have a plant outside, I want my 50,000$ for the white man keeping me from being a farmer, and I want free land and medical for the white man from taking my land to begin with. What is that.. you say I am not that? Well fuck you.. I feel I am, and that's all that matters anymore.

[GS4Pirate]

gender assigned at birth

Can't stand this sound bite. Like there's this staff of gender doctors that has a round table discussion that determines your gender who ultimately ask the janitor to look between the legs for the final decision.

[Warriorbird]

Eh. Schools have a lot more leeway to bust people for being creepy than the actual police do (even though in many cases it isn't used). At the same time I could see actual transgender kids getting the crap beaten out of them really easily.

I teach in a fairly liberal school district and haven't taught a single one that I'm aware of though.

[Jarvan]

Eh. Schools have a lot more leeway to bust people for being creepy than the actual police do (even though in many cases it isn't used). At the same time I could see actual transgender kids getting the crap beaten out of them really easily.

I teach in a fairly liberal school district and haven't taught a single one that I'm aware of though.

That's because the latest poll put it at 0.3%. If your school has any, it would be lucky to have one.. and that's if they are even open about it. Much more likely that they are not, specially at that age really.

And I agree... unless little Timmy/Tammy can take care of themselves in a fight, I would expect them to get ragged on and eventually attacked. After all.. kids suck.

[Archigeek]

Way to get sucked into the wedge agenda. Nothing detracts from the economic issues we should be focusing on, quite like a good old fashioned social issue! That'll get 'em in a hot mess!

[Valthissa]

Way to get sucked into the wedge agenda. Nothing detracts from the economic issues we should be focusing on, quite like a good old fashioned social issue! That'll get 'em in a hot mess!

Sort of what I was thinking as well

Given the level of attention this is generating in the media, it must poll well for both parties

[Archigeek]

Sort of what I was thinking as well

Given the level of attention this is generating in the media, it must poll well for both parties

Right, and meanwhile, the very small trans population has been pooping and pissing in various bathrooms with for the most part no one noticing, for years.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

As far as children go, as a parent of a toddler bathrooms are torture chambers where you're either pleading with a tiny irrational human to empty their bladder/bowels or else you're praying they don't lick or touch anything disgusting while you attempt to drop a deuce in record time. No one particularly cares or notices who else is around. If my son announces he needs to potty and there's a line for the women's room I march him right into the men's room to go and have zero fucks to give. It's a human body, not the remnants of Ramsay Bolton's latest torture festival. My kid won't be damaged if he sees a penis or vagina, he spent his first year of life hanging off a tit after all.

This entire argument is like squabbling over the wall colors of the Titanic while it's halfway underwater. I agree that the entire thing is meant to distract us.

[GS4Pirate]

Way to get sucked into the wedge agenda. Nothing detracts from the economic issues we should be focusing on, quite like a good old fashioned social issue! That'll get 'em in a hot mess!

Agreed, it would be nice to hear one of these fucks talk about what the fuck we are going to do about all these trade jobs that are going to become obsolete over the next couple decades, we will be dealing with uuuuuuuuuge unemployment numbers and we ain't done shit in our public schools to prepare the coming generations. Essentially we are at least 2 generations behind the Chinese and we are focusing on bathrooms.

[Gnomad]

You guys do realize that this doesn't mean a boy can just walk into the girls' room and skirt punishment by saying, "No, it's cool, I'm transgender lol Obama said you have to let me," right?

Jeez trans kids in high school are going to have it tough enough. Let them take a dump in peace.

[Tgo01]

You guys do realize that this doesn't mean a boy can just walk into the girls' room and skirt punishment by saying, "No, it's cool, I'm transgender lol Obama said you have to let me," right?

So are the students going to have to somehow prove they are transgender? Or that they truly do identify with being female/male?

I can't see that idea backfiring.

[Archigeek]

So are the students going to have to somehow prove they are transgender? Or that they truly do identify with being female/male?

I can't see that idea backfiring.

I can't see why you let yourself get sucked into believing this is an actual issue that we should be lining up at the polls about come election day. Abortion just isn't drawing 'em in the way it used to, so the transgender issue was needed to make sure everyone votes on social issues instead of whether or not our economy and roads etc are in shitty shape or not?

[Wrathbringer]

So are the students going to have to somehow prove they are transgender? Or that they truly do identify with being female/male?

I can't see that idea backfiring.

No. If they say they're transgender, they're transgender and can therefore poop and pee anywhere they please. Otherwise, lawsuit. This whole thing is about the most retarded thing I've ever heard of. If you were born with a penis, use the men's restroom. It's not difficult. This whole catering to the .00001% and screwing the 99.99999% trend sucks.

[Tgo01]

I can't see why you let yourself get sucked into believing this is an actual issue that we should be lining up at the polls about come election day. Abortion just isn't drawing 'em in the way it used to, so the transgender issue was needed to make sure everyone votes on social issues instead of whether or not our economy and roads etc are in shitty shape or not?

I think the whole thing is bullshit too but I'm not the one passing laws and instructing schools to do this.

[GS4Pirate]

No. If they say they're transgender, they're transgender and can therefore poop and pee anywhere they please. Otherwise, lawsuit. This whole thing is about the most retarded thing I've ever heard of. If you were born with a penis, use the men's restroom. It's not difficult. This whole catering to the .00001% and screwing the 99.99999% trend sucks.

And it already happened.....

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/05/13/shoppers-hold-man-accused-choking-molesting-8-year-old-girl-store-bathroom/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

[Methais]

EDIT: Piss, beaten to it! Fuck it I'm leaving it up.

Police: Man choked 8-year-old girl in South Loop Jason's Deli bathroom

CHICAGO (SUN TIMES MEDIA WIRE/FOX 32) - A man choked an 8-year-old girl until she passed out inside the bathroom of a South Loop Jason's Deli last weekend, according to Chicago Police.

She was with her mother at the restaurant in the 1200 block of South Canal when the girl went to the bathroom alone about 1:15 p.m. on May 7, according to Chicago Police.

The woman then heard a scream from her daughter and went inside to find 33-year-old Reese M. Hartstirn carrying the unconscious girl into a stall, police said. He had choked her with his hands, police allege.

A Jason's Deli spokeswoman refuted the report that the girl lost consciousness.

Other people in the store helped restrain the man until police arrived to arrest him. The girl was taken to Comer Children’s Hospital, but police did not have information on her condition.

Jason's Deli released a statement on the incident on Friday:

"We’re blessed to have a wonderful relationship with the Chicago Police Department. Many of them are our customers and because of their connection to our deli, this unfortunate situation was handled very quickly. We’re proud of how our team members responded and thankful that we have the kind of customers that are willing to lend a hand in a difficult situation.We continue to work hard every day to make every customer happy"

Hartstirn, of the 500 block of North Racine, was charged with felony counts of aggravated kidnapping and aggravated battery of a child. He also faces misdemeanor counts of battery and aggravated assault of a peace officer for taking a swing at an officer who booked him at the Central District station, police said.

He was ordered without bond at a Monday hearing and is due back in court May 16, according to the Cook County sheriff’s office

http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/crime/140640238-story

I'm sure he thought it was someone he knew and was just trying to give her an innocent hug, and Fox is just putting their right wing spin on things.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

The real story here is obviously that all men are rapists

[GS4Pirate]

Take note on the day of the incident and when it became public news. Almost a week.

[Taernath]

Ctrl-F transgender

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[Methais]

Ctrl-F transgender

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Why would that matter, when all you have to do is this?

http://img.ifcdn.com/images/d9bba0b88d8ae8080a04ee0c3e1b9ae04ce6707a4721bb759f f5dca2a59906df_1.jpg

[GS4Pirate]

Ctrl-F transgender

no results found

No you're right. All should sacrifice so we can make the delusional comfortable with their delusion.

[Jarvan]

EDIT: Piss, beaten to it! Fuck it I'm leaving it up.

Police: Man choked 8-year-old girl in South Loop Jason's Deli bathroom

CHICAGO (SUN TIMES MEDIA WIRE/FOX 32) - A man choked an 8-year-old girl until she passed out inside the bathroom of a South Loop Jason's Deli last weekend, according to Chicago Police.

She was with her mother at the restaurant in the 1200 block of South Canal when the girl went to the bathroom alone about 1:15 p.m. on May 7, according to Chicago Police.

The woman then heard a scream from her daughter and went inside to find 33-year-old Reese M. Hartstirn carrying the unconscious girl into a stall, police said. He had choked her with his hands, police allege.

A Jason's Deli spokeswoman refuted the report that the girl lost consciousness.

Other people in the store helped restrain the man until police arrived to arrest him. The girl was taken to Comer Children’s Hospital, but police did not have information on her condition.

Jason's Deli released a statement on the incident on Friday:

"We’re blessed to have a wonderful relationship with the Chicago Police Department. Many of them are our customers and because of their connection to our deli, this unfortunate situation was handled very quickly. We’re proud of how our team members responded and thankful that we have the kind of customers that are willing to lend a hand in a difficult situation.We continue to work hard every day to make every customer happy"

Hartstirn, of the 500 block of North Racine, was charged with felony counts of aggravated kidnapping and aggravated battery of a child. He also faces misdemeanor counts of battery and aggravated assault of a peace officer for taking a swing at an officer who booked him at the Central District station, police said.

He was ordered without bond at a Monday hearing and is due back in court May 16, according to the Cook County sheriff’s office

http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/crime/140640238-story

I'm sure he thought it was someone he knew and was just trying to give her an innocent hug, and Fox is just putting their right wing spin on things.

This story has nothing to do with Trans using bathrooms.

[Archigeek]

And it already happened.....

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/05/13/shoppers-hold-man-accused-choking-molesting-8-year-old-girl-store-bathroom/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

One nut job wanting to rape a child. Not a single word in the article about him being transsexual, and the illegality of what he did hasn't changed because of some ruling or law change. He's a pederast I'm sure. You guys are too easy for the media to use.

https://youtu.be/GZR58d77a4A

[GS4Pirate]

It's not the Transgender or wtf ever the majority of us are concerned about. It provides an opening for an assailant to take advantage of the situation and they will. The argument for those in favor of the law is to protect the transgender, our argument is you put the safety of less than one percent over that of everyone else. It's not worth the risk.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I'm pretty sure if it gets to the point that some deranged pedophile wants to assault children in bathrooms, laws probably don't matter even slightly to that person.

[Gnomad]

EDIT: Piss, beaten to it! Fuck it I'm leaving it up.

Hartstirn, of the 500 block of North Racine, was charged with felony counts of aggravated kidnapping and aggravated battery of a child. He also faces misdemeanor counts of battery and aggravated assault of a peace officer for taking a swing at an officer who booked him at the Central District station, police said.

He was ordered without bond at a Monday hearing and is due back in court May 16, according to the Cook County sheriff’s office
If only he was also facing a class C misdemeanor for walking into the ladies' room. That would have stopped him.

edit: sup nikki

[GS4Pirate]

I'm pretty sure if it gets to the point that some deranged pedophile wants to assault children in bathrooms, laws probably don't matter even slightly to that person.

This can be said for any law, we could abandon all laws, it would save us tremendous amounts of tax dollars.

[Soulance]

EDIT: Piss, beaten to it! Fuck it I'm leaving it up.

Police: Man choked 8-year-old girl in South Loop Jason's Deli bathroom

CHICAGO (SUN TIMES MEDIA WIRE/FOX 32) - A man choked an 8-year-old girl until she passed out inside the bathroom of a South Loop Jason's Deli last weekend, according to Chicago Police.

She was with her mother at the restaurant in the 1200 block of South Canal when the girl went to the bathroom alone about 1:15 p.m. on May 7, according to Chicago Police.

The woman then heard a scream from her daughter and went inside to find 33-year-old Reese M. Hartstirn carrying the unconscious girl into a stall, police said. He had choked her with his hands, police allege.

A Jason's Deli spokeswoman refuted the report that the girl lost consciousness.

Other people in the store helped restrain the man until police arrived to arrest him. The girl was taken to Comer Children’s Hospital, but police did not have information on her condition.

Jason's Deli released a statement on the incident on Friday:

"We’re blessed to have a wonderful relationship with the Chicago Police Department. Many of them are our customers and because of their connection to our deli, this unfortunate situation was handled very quickly. We’re proud of how our team members responded and thankful that we have the kind of customers that are willing to lend a hand in a difficult situation.We continue to work hard every day to make every customer happy"

Hartstirn, of the 500 block of North Racine, was charged with felony counts of aggravated kidnapping and aggravated battery of a child. He also faces misdemeanor counts of battery and aggravated assault of a peace officer for taking a swing at an officer who booked him at the Central District station, police said.

He was ordered without bond at a Monday hearing and is due back in court May 16, according to the Cook County sheriff’s office

http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/crime/140640238-story

I'm sure he thought it was someone he knew and was just trying to give her an innocent hug, and Fox is just putting their right wing spin on things.
Had I found this thing doing that to my daughter he would have been carried out in a body bag. Piece of garbage.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

This can be said for any law, we could abandon all laws, it would save us tremendous amounts of tax dollars.

Sure but it's also the argument people make when some people want to tighten gun laws or ban them outright. We don't really have a precedent of refusing to legislate things because someone could pervert the law, though. The answer is to try to mitigate abuse risk. Sometimes that means additional laws- like make impersonating a trans person to abuse a child an extra offense. It won't deter pedos but at least it'll lock them up longer.

Either way, it's stupid as hell that people get so up in arms either way. It's a gross place to piss and shit. I don't linger long enough to wonder what other people have under their clothes let alone try to sneak a peek.

[Tisket]

Either way, it's stupid as hell that people get so up in arms either way. It's a gross place to piss and shit. I don't linger long enough to wonder what other people have under their clothes let alone try to sneak a peek.

I'd insist on seeing up your skirt. Just to confirm gender of course.

[Taernath]

I'd insist on seeing up your skirt. Just to confirm gender of course.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYU6z0d_erY

[Gelston]

The whole world is my bathroom.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I'd insist on seeing up your skirt. Just to confirm gender of course.

Vagina check!

http://i.imgur.com/lccV4Fv.jpg

[Wrathbringer]

The whole world is my bathroom.

You're like a fish.

[Parkbandit]

Way to get sucked into the wedge agenda. Nothing detracts from the economic issues we should be focusing on, quite like a good old fashioned social issue! That'll get 'em in a hot mess!

Bingo

[Jarvan]

Technically not directly related to this issue.. but similar..

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/transgender-girl-says-rejected-straight-6857022

So.. if I am to understand this young woman correctly, I should not have the right to decide if I want to "hook up" date, or have a relationship with a girl that has a penis? I should see beyond the schlong to the person inside.... yeah, right.


"Straight guys just can't get over you having the male parts."

Cause.. you know... they are straight.

Hell.. people don't date other people for a lot less then that... like a malformed hand, or a lazy eye, even a huge birthmark.


As for bathrooms.. you know what, i am over it. I don't care. But lets not treat anyone special. Get rid of all "sex" when it comes to facilities. Imagine how much money places would save to just have ~1~ bathroom or shower system. Hell, schools wouldn't even need swim suits anymore, More money savings!

Seriously tho... if they are going to say it's ok for young girls to shower with a young boy because the boy says he is really a girl, then why not just let them all shower together?

[GS4Pirate]

Technically not directly related to this issue.. but similar..

It's directly related to the issue, all logic is being thrown out the window because..feelings. He\she\it\the article is so slanted, they make the straight guys out to be criminal like. Then they have the "showcase couple" The boy that thinks he's a girl that is in love with the girl that thinks she's a boy, you can't even make this shit up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y

[Soulance]

Imagine how much money places would save to just have ~1~ bathroom
No way! Have you seen the line into the women's bathroom??

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

It's directly related to the issue, all logic is being thrown out the window because..feelings. He\she\it\the article is so slanted, they make the straight guys out to be criminal like. Then they have the "showcase couple" The boy that thinks he's a girl that is in love with the girl that thinks she's a boy, you can't even make this shit up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y

I guess I just don't get why people care so much. When someone says "Hi I'm Carol" we just take her at face value and call her Carol. We don't demand proof she has a vagina she was born with and maybe she used to be Carl. Who gives a fuck? It literally impacts my life not at all and helps to keep some people from killing themselves. It's like the entire freak out over gay marriage. My brother in law/son's godfather is gay and my son has never questioned it or been confused by the concept. It's not like they're having gay sex in front of him, just like my sister in laws aren't banging their husbands before his eyes.

I've spent a shit ton of time with my inlaws since having a kid, especially my father in law. We've talked politics extensively and he's a diehard republican. We'd previously written each other off because I tend to self identify as commie pinko, but through calm and honest conversation.. The man is smart as hell, he's not a racist bigot, and honestly this election cycle has been very hard to stomach because while I'm deeply unhappy with "my side's" candidates, he's basically been left out to dry. And it's because of frankly stupid shit like this. And maybe it's because I deeply care about people on the opposite end of the political spectrum, but it frustrates me that everyone falls for it every time.

Whenever your own side tries to make the other into the bogeyman, slow down. They're doing classic misdirection 99% of the time. God fucking knows I hate being known as "liberal" because this party does that shit non stop too. They (lifetime politicians) want us emotional and at eachother's throats. And they want that so we don't turn and hold them all accountable for their fuck ups.

[Jarvan]

I guess I just don't get why people care so much. When someone says "Hi I'm Carol" we just take her at face value and call her Carol. We don't demand proof she has a vagina she was born with and maybe she used to be Carl. Who gives a fuck? It literally impacts my life not at all and helps to keep some people from killing themselves. It's like the entire freak out over gay marriage. My brother in law/son's godfather is gay and my son has never questioned it or been confused by the concept. It's not like they're having gay sex in front of him, just like my sister in laws aren't banging their husbands before his eyes.

I've spent a shit ton of time with my inlaws since having a kid, especially my father in law. We've talked politics extensively and he's a diehard republican. We'd previously written each other off because I tend to self identify as commie pinko, but through calm and honest conversation.. The man is smart as hell, he's not a racist bigot, and honestly this election cycle has been very hard to stomach because while I'm deeply unhappy with "my side's" candidates, he's basically been left out to dry. And it's because of frankly stupid shit like this. And maybe it's because I deeply care about people on the opposite end of the political spectrum, but it frustrates me that everyone falls for it every time.

Whenever your own side tries to make the other into the bogeyman, slow down. They're doing classic misdirection 99% of the time. God fucking knows I hate being known as "liberal" because this party does that shit non stop too. They (lifetime politicians) want us emotional and at eachother's throats. And they want that so we don't turn and hold them all accountable for their fuck ups.

I could care less if "Carl" wants to be called Carol. I could care less if Carol has her dick cut off and a hole put there. I really really don't. More power to them for doing what they feel they need to.

I do give a shit when they get upset that (in this instance) that straight boys should ignore their dick and date them cause they are a girl. Isn't that ... I don't know.... up to the fucking person?

I certainly don't ask every woman I meet.. "excuse me, but were you born a boy", why would I? When it comes to a relationship tho.. I do think it's something that should be said. (Kids for one) I mean.. ok, lets say you meet a guy, and he seems great, but it turns out he was a serial killer 20 years ago, served his time and is out now. Isn't THAT something you would want to know before having a relationship?

There was another article about a teen Girl that was upset because the boys would flirt with her friends and not her... sorry.. no offense.. but the boys know you got a dick. YOU may feel like a girl, but generally (not always of course) they are going to think of you as a guy. It sucks.. it really does, but that's life. Buy a deck of cards, and learn how to deal, because that's how it currently is.


Unless of course the government is going to mandate teens taking trans out on dates, whether they want to or not.

[GS4Pirate]

I guess I just don't get why people care so much. When someone says "Hi I'm Carol" we just take her at face value and call her Carol. We don't demand proof she has a vagina she was born with and maybe she used to be Carl. Who gives a fuck? It literally impacts my life not at all and helps to keep some people from killing themselves. It's like the entire freak out over gay marriage. My brother in law/son's godfather is gay and my son has never questioned it or been confused by the concept. It's not like they're having gay sex in front of him, just like my sister in laws aren't banging their husbands before his eyes.

I've spent a shit ton of time with my inlaws since having a kid, especially my father in law. We've talked politics extensively and he's a diehard republican. We'd previously written each other off because I tend to self identify as commie pinko, but through calm and honest conversation.. The man is smart as hell, he's not a racist bigot, and honestly this election cycle has been very hard to stomach because while I'm deeply unhappy with "my side's" candidates, he's basically been left out to dry. And it's because of frankly stupid shit like this. And maybe it's because I deeply care about people on the opposite end of the political spectrum, but it frustrates me that everyone falls for it every time.

Whenever your own side tries to make the other into the bogeyman, slow down. They're doing classic misdirection 99% of the time. God fucking knows I hate being known as "liberal" because this party does that shit non stop too. They (lifetime politicians) want us emotional and at eachother's throats. And they want that so we don't turn and hold them all accountable for their fuck ups.

First, don't mistake it for hatred, I have family that is gay and it does not bother me one bit. I also have much greater concerns than who pee's where.

The problem is we are making policy without using logic, at all. These states are now being held hostage over who pee's where through threat of having the tax payers money confiscated. Don't let boys and girls pee and shower together, then fuck all your districts education. That is exactly what is being forced, fuck teaching our children, people that can't figure out where to pee comes before teaching important shit like math, science, reading.....and it's fucking showing, we are literally graduating retards, but hey at least the confused folks know they can pee wherever. This is fucking Twilight Zone shit, off the fucking charts and everyone throws their arms up "who cares, what's the big deal?".

These fucking nimrods have been focusing on this shit for 40 years and in that 40 years we have been on a continuous downward trend, but let's continue to listen to these idiots at least no ones feelings will be hurt.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN8VOsJCJLk

[drauz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPxpbWdfirE

[Candor]

Well it's great to know that the nation is doing so well that we now have the time to focus on new bathroom laws.

[Warriorbird]

Well it's great to know that the nation is doing so well that we now have the time to focus on new bathroom laws.

Yep. The narrative here is pretty much "a state level Republican Party decides this is a great wedge issue then the national Democratic Party decides this is a great wedge issue." Stupid all around.

[Gnomad]

These states are now being held hostage over who pee's where through threat of having the tax payers money confiscated. Don't let boys and girls pee and shower together, then fuck all your districts education. That is exactly what is being forced, fuck teaching our children, people that can't figure out where to pee comes before teaching important shit like math, science, reading.....and it's fucking showing, we are literally graduating retards, but hey at least the confused folks know they can pee wherever.I teach in a state that already had bathroom rights for trans students. I have spent less than 3 minutes of my professional life dealing with it. 0 seconds of classroom time.

This post has taken more time away from my life than the law ever did.

[GS4Pirate]

I teach in a state that already had bathroom rights for trans students. I have spent less than 3 minutes of my professional life dealing with it. 0 seconds of classroom time.

This post has taken more time away from my life than the law ever did.

So this somehow makes it ok for the Federal Government to withhold tax dollars, which were taken from the states in the first place, to force every school to have transgender bathrooms? I'm totally into extortion as well, seems extortion is the only way Obama and his circle of fags can get their fantasies passed. How does holding a gun to all the children's education so maybe one or two people can pee where they think they should be peeing make any fucking sense at all?

[Warriorbird]

So this somehow makes it ok for the Federal Government to withhold tax dollars, which were taken from the states in the first place, to force every school to have transgender bathrooms? I'm totally into extortion as well, seems extortion is the only way Obama and his circle of fags can get their fantasies passed. How does holding a gun to all the children's education so maybe one or two people can pee where they think they should be peeing make any fucking sense at all?

The federal government withholds tax dollars for ridiculous reasons all the time. Similar was done over "abstinence education."

[GS4Pirate]

The federal government withholds tax dollars for ridiculous reasons all the time. Similar was done over "abstinence education."

Cool, as long as we all agree, extortion is the way to get shit done. Now that we have set this standard, I hope you will welcome with open arms forced biblical teaching in public schools, all I can say is, it's about fucking time.

[Warriorbird]

Cool, as long as we all agree, extortion is the way to get shit done. Now that we have set this standard, I hope you will welcome with open arms forced biblical teaching in public schools, all I can say is, it's about fucking time.

It's how federalism works whether we like it or not. As even one of my Republican coworkers said, this isn't that big a deal because its so rare and the kid would "suffer worse outside the bathroom."

I'd promptly get the ACLU and teacher's unions to fund a constitutional challenge to "forced biblical teaching" but I understand that federalism is federalism.

[GS4Pirate]

Why you still arguing? I thought we came to the agreement that extortion is how we will progress. I'm totally cool with it now, I completely understand.

[Warriorbird]

Why you still arguing? I thought we came to the agreement that extortion is how we will progress. I'm totally cool with it now, I completely understand.

I never thought of this as arguing... merely a statement of how the system works, followed by you going "BUT BUT BUT extortion!" Our government functions in a tremendous series of ways we might not like. It has for a long time.

[GS4Pirate]

Dude I'm totally cool with it now. It's how we are going to end abortion, so I'm totally cool with it. It's how we are going to make you teach Bible studies, it's an awesome concept.

[Warriorbird]

Dude I'm totally cool with it now. It's how we are going to end abortion, so I'm totally cool with it. It's how we are going to make you teach Bible studies, it's an awesome concept.

The first has some protections against it due to Roe v. Wade but I'm sure the Republicans will continue to work to overturn that and then it's open season. Thankfully the second has some Constitutional protection in place against it happening.

[GS4Pirate]

The first has some protections against it due to Roe v. Wade but I'm sure the Republicans will continue to work to overturn that and then it's open season. Thankfully the second has some Constitutional protection in place against it happening.

You don't seem to be grasping this. We will withhold your tax dollars and force you out of your fucking job if you don't like it. You know, it's just how we do things. You won't do shit and you will comply. The Constitution didn't mean shit when it came to forcing every American to purchase a product, it's just a piece of fucking paper, right?

[Jarvan]

Dude I'm totally cool with it now. It's how we are going to end abortion, so I'm totally cool with it. It's how we are going to make you teach Bible studies, it's an awesome concept.

Look on the bright side... if we ever get a Republican in the Whitehouse, we can end sanctuary cities by the same method. Actually.. know what the best part of how he did this is? If a Republican gets into the Whitehouse... instantly reversed. Since you know... there is no law or anything.

It is actually an interesting question... which is more important... the ability to pee/shower where you feel you should... or someone else's privacy. (Assuming for example that teenage girls don't want to shower with a GINO) ~Girl in Name Only~

[Warriorbird]

You don't seem to be grasping this. We will withhold your tax dollars and force you out of your fucking job if you don't like it. You know, it's just how we do things. You won't do shit and you will comply. The Constitution didn't mean shit when it came to forcing every American to purchase a product, it's just a piece of fucking paper, right?

If you ask the currently Republican Supreme Court you're right.

[Methais]

If only he was also facing a class C misdemeanor for walking into the ladies' room. That would have stopped him.

edit: sup nikki

Thing is that before all this, seeing a dude go into the ladies room would raise flags everywhere. But if you do that or question the guy walking in there now it's suddenly "discrimination" which would probably be followed by a lawsuit and then you going out of business as a result just like thee gay wedding cake idiots that troll Christian owner bakeries looking for somebody to sue.

[GS4Pirate]

I agree Jarvan, the new idea that the executive branch holds the purse strings is fucking brilliant. These past 250 years and we have finally decided that having a King is better.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fyMhVeUInw

[GS4Pirate]

If you ask the currently Republican Supreme Court you're right.

All I can say is wow. You're still stuck on D's and R's, let me throw the brakes on for a decade so you can catch up to the conversation.

[Gnomad]

Obama and his circle of fags
I don't know why I bother trying to make reasonable replies in the Politics forum.

[Warriorbird]

All I can say is wow. You're still stuck on D's and R's, let me throw the brakes on for a decade so you can catch up to the conversation.

Where you pretend to be an independent but aren't? Okay.

[Taernath]

I don't know why I bother trying to make reasonable replies in the Politics forum.

Because it would be a howling echo chamber otherwise.

[GS4Pirate]

I don't know why I bother trying to make reasonable replies in the Politics forum.

It's not fun unless it's saucy. Would it have been more PC if I called them a circle of homosexuals or LGBT's? Would it have changed the message if I would have done so? Would you have accepted the premise had I been more soft with my words?

[Parkbandit]

I don't know why I bother trying to make reasonable replies in the Politics forum.

Yes, yes.. your posts in the politics folder are always, always so reasonable.

[Warriorbird]

Yes, yes.. your posts in the politics folder are always, always so reasonable.

Sometimes you ought to pause and consider your own input.

[time4fun]

Yes, yes.. your posts in the politics folder are always, always so reasonable.

ROFL

Says the Troll King to his subjects.

[~Rocktar~]

ROFL

Says the Troll King to his subjects.

We are not your subjects.

[zennsunni]

No.. now we have a situation where they are more concerned about getting the LGBT vote then protecting kids.

I really don't want to get into this discussion, but I just wanted to point out that if you think the DNC needs to 'get' the LGBT vote, you are hilariously mistaken - they have it as surely as the RNC has the gun-store owner's vote.

[GS4Pirate]

they have it as surely as the RNC has the gun-store owner's vote.

Kind of a bad comparison, guns are like a cure to liberalism. Once you squeeze off a few rounds, there's no turning back:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCIgpUTvfsA

[Jarvan]

I really don't want to get into this discussion, but I just wanted to point out that if you think the DNC needs to 'get' the LGBT vote, you are hilariously mistaken - they have it as surely as the RNC has the gun-store owner's vote.

Yeah.. makes perfect sense.. THAT'S why both Obama and Clinton were against gay marriage before they ran for election. Cause.. you know.. Clinton would TOTALLY get the gay vote if she said they shouldn't be able to get married. (Like she did before)

Has NOTHING to do with shoring up their voters. (Hint.. it's not about masses of LGBT voting FOR republicans, it's getting them to vote in the first place)

[Warriorbird]

Kind of a bad comparison, guns are like a cure to liberalism. Once you squeeze off a few rounds, there's no turning back:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCIgpUTvfsA

If only that were actually true. Hell... our Democratic Senator has had multiple gun charges.

Keanu's a liberal, too.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I guess I'm just kind of confused why LGBT stuff always gets rolled into child molester panic. I'm a lot more unwilling to leave my son with a catholic priest than a gay dude. I get Methais' point, but a lot of places have unisex bathrooms and they don't devolve into Uncle Touchy's Naked Basement.

I DO understand the bristling at penalties/federal money withholding for non compliance though. I think there probably is a much less adversarial way of going about this.

But as someone who had to make fart sound effects and request her son try to mimic them with his butt earlier today (ah the magic of parenthood) the entire argument both ways is just hilariously absurd to me.

[GS4Pirate]

I said liberals, not democrats.

Honestly I just said that so I could lead into Keanu blowing shit up. It is a bad comparison though, even your Democrat loves the weapons dealer and would probably trade the LGBTXYZ lobby for the Gun lobby.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I said liberals, not democrats.

Honestly I just said that so I could lead into Keanu blowing shit up. It is a bad comparison though, even your Democrat loves the weapons dealer and would probably trade the LGBTXYZ lobby for the Gun lobby.

There is no greater stress relief than going and shooting shit, I swear!

[GS4Pirate]

I guess I'm just kind of confused why LGBT stuff always gets rolled into child molester panic. I'm a lot more unwilling to leave my son with a catholic priest than a gay dude. I get Methais' point, but a lot of places have unisex bathrooms and they don't devolve into Uncle Touchy's Naked Basement.

I DO understand the bristling at penalties/federal money withholding for non compliance though. I think there probably is a much less adversarial way of going about this.

But as someone who had to make fart sound effects and request her son try to mimic them with his butt earlier today (ah the magic of parenthood) the entire argument both ways is just hilariously absurd to me.

You're right, it is absurd. I'm glad we are in agreement, even the female communist gets it. ;P

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

You're right, it is absurd. I'm glad we are in agreement, even the female communist gets it. ;P

I feel like I need to start screaming "death to the bourgeois!" or "Stalin did NOTHING wrong" now. Thanks a lot.

[Jarvan]

I feel like I need to start screaming "death to the bourgeois!" or "Stalin did NOTHING wrong" now. Thanks a lot.

Change bourgeois to Bush, and Stalin to Clinton, and you would sound a lot like some of the Liberal people I work with.

[GS4Pirate]

I feel like I need to start screaming "death to the bourgeois!" or "Stalin did NOTHING wrong" now. Thanks a lot.

(Before I say this, I want you to know, I almost held my tongue, almost.)

How long has it been since your nipples were this hard?

No filter, no regrets.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

(Before I say this, I want you to know, I almost held my tongue, almost.)

How long has it been since your nipples were this hard?

No filter, no regrets.

I'm not saying that the only way I can orgasm is with someone whispering into my ear that we should dust off the guillotine, avenge our wronged comrades, and collectivise our resources for the good of the proletariat, but the orgasm from hearing that universal basic income and liberation from wage slavery is a good idea just isn't as POWERFUL, you know?

[GS4Pirate]

I'm not saying that the only way I can orgasm is with someone whispering into my ear that we should dust off the guillotine, avenge our wronged comrades, and collectivise our resources for the good of the proletariat

Oh god Nikki, that silvery pink tongue of yours has me at the point of no return.

[GS4Pirate]

And now like any good man, it's time for a nap.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

When you wake up I'll be all tarted up in a capitalist outfit and then the real fun can begin!

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-28157-Salem-cat-evil-laughter-gif-Im-F7gr.gif

[drauz]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/02/17/transgender-rule-washington-state-man-undresses-locker-room/80501904/

Headline:

Seattle man tests transgender rule by undressing in women's locker room

[Tgo01]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/02/17/transgender-rule-washington-state-man-undresses-locker-room/80501904/

Headline:

Seattle man tests transgender rule by undressing in women's locker room


Right now, there's no specific protocol for how someone should demonstrate their gender in order to access a bathroom.

Specific protocol to "demonstrate" their gender? I thought the whole point of this bullshit issue was that transgender people shouldn't be made to feel differently for using the bathroom they are most comfortable with.

Does someone who was born a man and who identifies as a man have to "demonstrate" their gender? If not then it seems like you're treating transgender people differently than the rest...now what's the word for that...what was it again...OH YEAH! Discrimination.

It seems people who are tripping over themselves to get these things changed haven't really thought this out very much.

Let me just see if I understand the outraged correctly here...ahem...

North Carolina just comes right out and states: If it says "male" on your birth certificate then you use the men's bathroom. If it says "female" then use the women's bathroom.

Well that's just sexist! And transphobic! And homophobic! And fuck, probably somehow racist!

Seattle says hey, we're the good guys! We're going to let you use whichever bathroom you feel most comfortable with! ... as long as you can "demonstrate" that you belong in the bathroom you are using.

Well that sounds fair! Yeah yeah! That's great! How much longer should we pat ourselves on the back for?

[drauz]

Specific protocol to "demonstrate" their gender? I thought the whole point of this bullshit issue was that transgender people shouldn't be made to feel differently for using the bathroom they are most comfortable with.

Does someone who was born a man and who identifies as a man have to "demonstrate" their gender? If not then it seems like you're treating transgender people differently than the rest...now what's the word for that...what was it again...OH YEAH! Discrimination.

It seems people who are tripping over themselves to get these things changed haven't really thought this out very much.

Let me just see if I understand the outraged correctly here...ahem...

North Carolina just comes right out and states: If it says "male" on your birth certificate then you use the men's bathroom. If it says "female" then use the women's bathroom.

Well that's just sexist! And transphobic! And homophobic! And fuck, probably somehow racist!

Seattle says hey, we're the good guys! We're going to let you use whichever bathroom you feel most comfortable with! ... as long as you can "demonstrate" that you belong in the bathroom you are using.

Well that sounds fair! Yeah yeah! That's great! How much longer should we pat ourselves on the back for?

Did find this article as well.

https://www.propublica.org/article/why-north-carolinas-new-anti-lgbt-law-is-a-trojan-horse

[drauz]

Specific protocol to "demonstrate" their gender? I thought the whole point of this bullshit issue was that transgender people shouldn't be made to feel differently for using the bathroom they are most comfortable with.

Does someone who was born a man and who identifies as a man have to "demonstrate" their gender? If not then it seems like you're treating transgender people differently than the rest...now what's the word for that...what was it again...OH YEAH! Discrimination.

It seems people who are tripping over themselves to get these things changed haven't really thought this out very much.

Let me just see if I understand the outraged correctly here...ahem...

North Carolina just comes right out and states: If it says "male" on your birth certificate then you use the men's bathroom. If it says "female" then use the women's bathroom.

Well that's just sexist! And transphobic! And homophobic! And fuck, probably somehow racist!

Seattle says hey, we're the good guys! We're going to let you use whichever bathroom you feel most comfortable with! ... as long as you can "demonstrate" that you belong in the bathroom you are using.

Well that sounds fair! Yeah yeah! That's great! How much longer should we pat ourselves on the back for?

I think for the majority of actually trans people its really a non issue. They have been using whatever bathroom they want for a while now. Its people like the one in the article that worry everyone else. People are always going to try to "game" the system and I think you're right, they didn't think very far ahead to what this might cause.

They need a way (if there isn't already) to change your gender within the states. Then it would have to be what is on your drivers license and wouldn't count if you are still transitioning.

[Tgo01]

Did find this article as well.

https://www.propublica.org/article/why-north-carolinas-new-anti-lgbt-law-is-a-trojan-horse


The legislation doesn’t stop there, however. Tucked inside is language that strips North Carolina workers of the ability to sue under a state anti-discrimination law, a right that has been upheld in court since 1985. “If you were fired because of your race, fired because of your gender, fired because of your religion,” said Allan Freyer, head of the Workers’ Rights Project at the N.C. Justice Center in Raleigh, “… you no longer have a basic remedy.”

That's bullshit.

The "basic remedy" is these concerns are now handled by a state agency who then turn the matter over to the EEOC.

[Jarvan]

I think for the majority of actually trans people its really a non issue. They have been using whatever bathroom they want for a while now. Its people like the one in the article that worry everyone else. People are always going to try to "game" the system and I think you're right, they didn't think very far ahead to what this might cause.

They need a way (if there isn't already) to change your gender within the states. Then it would have to be what is on your drivers license and wouldn't count if you are still transitioning.

Kinda like WA and CO allowing regular use of Pot without really working out a way to check for DUI, or companies refusing to hire or employee those that use it.

Kinda like.. "Fuck it, as long as we are seen as the 'Progressive' states, that's all that matters"

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Marijuana is on par with caffeine as far as danger and negative impact goes. Go crying about alcohol, a most legal and destructive drug that is consistently overlooked

[Jarvan]

Marijuana is on par with caffeine as far as danger and negative impact goes. Go crying about alcohol, a most legal and destructive drug that is consistently overlooked

So... smoking pot has NEVER led to a fatal accident?

Also.. I think anyone that drinks and drives should just be shot in the head to save everyone else grief, so don't worry about that. Doesn't change the fact that getting high on pot can still impair driving.

I would LOVE it if you can find a credible study that says it's PERFECTLY safe to drive while high on pot. Better yet, find one that shows that being high on pot is equal to drinking coffee before driving.























Good Luck with that.

[~Rocktar~]

Marijuana is on par with caffeine as far as danger and negative impact goes. Go crying about alcohol, a most legal and destructive drug that is consistently overlooked

Distraction argument is distracting. Please try to make a valid logical argument supporting recreational pot use. Pot is a psychoactive, our already overly immature and emotionally weak population doesn't need MORE ways to demonstrate it's immaturity and emotional weakness. And no, alcohol's level of harm is not anywhere near close to the level of harm cause by smoking and sugar so please spout some more bullshit about how it's the most harmful drug.

[Jarvan]

Distraction argument is distracting. Please try to make a valid logical argument supporting recreational pot use. Pot is a psychoactive, our already overly immature and emotionally weak population doesn't need MORE ways to demonstrate it's immaturity and emotional weakness. And no, alcohol's level of harm is not anywhere near close to the level of harm cause by smoking and sugar so please spout some more bullshit about how it's the most harmful drug.

Nahhh... Nikki would be perfectly happy putting her kid on a school bus as the stoner lights another blunt. NOTHING could possibly go wrong. I mean.. it's like he was drinking coffee.

[Jarvan]

Back to the original topic.. one of the comments from the Article about the man in WA state said that maybe the states and federal government needed to start a "Transgender Register" so the government can track who is and is not to see if they are following the law correctly.

Someone else freaked out saying that was ridiculous.

So.. of course the first person said... "But it's ok to have a Registry for guns".

Now.. I think both people are morons, but it made me laugh.

[drauz]

Distraction argument is distracting. Please try to make a valid logical argument supporting recreational pot use. Pot is a psychoactive, our already overly immature and emotionally weak population doesn't need MORE ways to demonstrate it's immaturity and emotional weakness. And no, alcohol's level of harm is not anywhere near close to the level of harm cause by smoking and sugar so please spout some more bullshit about how it's the most harmful drug.

I think alcohol causes more damage than weed.

[Jarvan]

I think alcohol causes more damage than weed.

Yes it does. Of course, that is not the point.

Kind of funny tho.. you mention pot.. and people instantly start screaming "Alcohol is worse!"... real nice defense mechanism.

Know what causes LESS damage then weed?

Not doing weed.

[drauz]

Know what causes LESS damage then weed?

Not doing weed.

Well, unless you have a terminal type of cancer.

But yeah this is getting off track, this'll be my last thing about weed.

[Nephelem]

I don't want pedos allowed in the ladies to rape little girls. They should stick to raping the little boys in the men's room like it was in the good old days.

[GS4Pirate]

So... smoking pot has NEVER led to a fatal accident?

Also.. I think anyone that drinks and drives should just be shot in the head to save everyone else grief, so don't worry about that. Doesn't change the fact that getting high on pot can still impair driving.

I would LOVE it if you can find a credible study that says it's PERFECTLY safe to drive while high on pot. Better yet, find one that shows that being high on pot is equal to drinking coffee before driving.























Good Luck with that.

Ask and you shall receive:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3MPbXWLtN8

[Jarvan]

Ask and you shall receive:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3MPbXWLtN8

Not sure if your trolling with that, or what.

[Gelston]

Oh God, do we have another guy claiming that people who are effected by a drug are better drivers than people who are not?

[Jarvan]

Oh God, do we have another guy claiming that people who are effected by a drug are better drivers than people who are not?

if it was PK, then maybe. I swear PK thinks Pot can cure all illnesses and regrow limbs.

[GS4Pirate]

Of course I don't claim it makes you a better driver. Just some push back to this nonsense that we should hold off on ending prohibition because of impaired driving, if you're that concerned about it, don't partake in the risky behavior of driving. I'm just going by a shot in the dark here, but I would imagine the majority of car accidents don't involve any substances at all.

I have not looked at stats from Washington, in Colorado there has been a decrease in auto accidents since legalization. Personally I have spent a good share of time in both states since their ending prohibition, I have noticed no difference, just a personal observation of course.

I can't stress how much it has sucked to have to leave my entire family behind so I can seek out medicine that stops my tremors without the risk of becoming dependent on a narcotic, which I refuse to take. And as usual this is all being held up by retard politicians with notions of Reefer Madness in their minds. But here man let us feed you these opioids, they are perfectly harmless.

[Parkbandit]

Sometimes you ought to pause and consider your own input.


ROFL

Says the Troll King to his subjects.

Granted, I'm probably wasting my time since this is clearly above the heads of you two.. but I wasn't the one that claimed I was making reasonable arguments in the political folder. See, the way this thing works, you quote the person you are responding to..

[Jarvan]

Of course I don't claim it makes you a better driver. Just some push back to this nonsense that we should hold off on ending prohibition because of impaired driving, if you're that concerned about it, don't partake in the risky behavior of driving. I'm just going by a shot in the dark here, but I would imagine the majority of car accidents don't involve any substances at all.

I have not looked at stats from Washington, in Colorado there has been a decrease in auto accidents since legalization. Personally I have spent a good share of time in both states since their ending prohibition, I have noticed no difference, just a personal observation of course.

I can't stress how much it has sucked to have to leave my entire family behind so I can seek out medicine that stops my tremors without the risk of becoming dependent on a narcotic, which I refuse to take. And as usual this is all being held up by retard politicians with notions of Reefer Madness in their minds. But here man let us feed you these opioids, they are perfectly harmless.

I don't think pot is as destructive as the idiot that wanted it outlawed because of Hemp really. At the same time, I also don't think it is perfectly ok like the people that use it.

people that want to use it always seem to claim it's 100% safe and nothing bad ever happens with it.

of course.. these are the same people that want to take away guns because if they can save one life, that's good. But if fatal accidents involving pot increase by just 2%... well.. that's no big deal really. (8% to 17% actually)

http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/10/news/stoned-driving-fatal-accidents/

as for CO...

http://gazette.com/study-finds-fatal-crashes-in-colorado-have-risen-since-legalized-marijuana/article/1559401

But you know... 23 people don't matter. And no.. traffic fatalities are higher in CO.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29404240/colorado-sees-10-percent-increase-traffic-deaths-2015

I am glad you found something for your tremors, tho that doesn't mean that it is safe.

[GS4Pirate]

We have conflicting reports here:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/08/05/since-marijuana-legalization-highway-fatalities-in-colorado-are-at-near-historic-lows/

This is when you know things are fucked, who's telling the truth?

[GS4Pirate]

I am glad you found something for your tremors, tho that doesn't mean that it is safe.

Meh, I do my best to make light of it, I used to joke with my kids that my milkshakes bring all the girls to the yard.

For me it's a race against time, the shit started in my left hand about 7 or 8 years ago, now both hands are pretty fucked and over the last 6 months it has progressed into my legs. I'm guessing I have about 5 years before I go full Michael J. Fox. I don't have time to wait on retards to change the laws.

[Jarvan]

We have conflicting reports here:



This is when you know things are fucked, who's telling the truth?

Well... the one you are using is using a High and an average to show that the Increase in the past few years is still lower then the highest in the past 10+ years.


"The 11.7 percent increase in fatalities over 2014 is the highest year-over-year increase since 2002. That year, 743 people died in traffic accidents. The lowest since then was 447 fatalities in 2011."

Basically.. the lowest since 2002 was in 2011, since 2011 it's been rising steadily. So.. if you just look at the data from 2011, forward, there have been more deaths then the year previous.

Of course, with statistics, a lot of the time, you can show just about anything you want if you word it right.


Meh, I do my best to make light of it, I used to joke with my kids that my milkshakes bring all the girls to the yard.

For me it's a race against time, the shit started in my left hand about 7 or 8 years ago, now both hands are pretty fucked and over the last 6 months it has progressed into my legs. I'm guessing I have about 5 years before I go full Michael J. Fox. I don't have time to wait on retards to change the laws.

Very true. Of course a cure would be better then a treatment. Sadly.. companies are not in the curing business anymore.

[GS4Pirate]

Very true. Of course a cure would be better then a treatment. Sadly.. companies are not in the curing business anymore.

Yea that would be great, in the meantime it sure would be great if I could be with my family and have legal access to a medicine that works. I'm going to be dead before there is a cure, if there is one.

[drauz]

Yea that would be great, in the meantime it sure would be great if I could be with my family and have legal access to a medicine that works. I'm going to be dead before there is a cure, if there is one.

Probably already have but you should look into high CBD strains. I've heard of promising results for seizures and tremors.

[GS4Pirate]

Probably already have but you should look into high CBD strains. I've heard of promising results for seizures and tremors.

I have been using a strain that Willie Nelson has on the market that has a higher CBD content called CherWillie. I take about 3 puffs and within a minute or two, the tremors stop. It's a high energy strain as well so you don't feel like a fucking vegetable for the next 6 hours. Everything about it makes any opioid I have tried seem completely worthless, no risk of addiction, no vomiting and I can function like a normal human.

[Androidpk]

did i read correctly that rocktar thinks marijuana and sugar are more harmful than alcohol?

:thinking:

[Androidpk]

if it was PK, then maybe. I swear PK thinks Pot can cure all illnesses and regrow limbs.

I believe many things about pot. Being a cure all is not one of them.

[Jarvan]

Yea that would be great, in the meantime it sure would be great if I could be with my family and have legal access to a medicine that works. I'm going to be dead before there is a cure, if there is one.

Well, a lot more states are passing medical marijuana laws. Guess it depends on what state your family is in.

PA just passed the law. Unless of course they don't offer it for your condition, which is silly.. since my Mom was just in CA, and the tour person said that if you wanted to smoke some pot, there was a DR's office there, and pointed to a corner, that would write you a prescription for a back ache, and a dispensary there... and pointed to a diff corner. To get it.

[Jarvan]

I believe many things about pot. Being a cure all is not one of them.

It's called Hyperbole.

[Wrathbringer]

Well... the one you are using is using a High and an average to show that the Increase in the past few years is still lower then the highest in the past 10+ years.



Basically.. the lowest since 2002 was in 2011, since 2011 it's been rising steadily. So.. if you just look at the data from 2011, forward, there have been more deaths then the year previous.

Of course, with statistics, a lot of the time, you can show just about anything you want if you word it right.



Very true. Of course a cure would be better then a treatment. Sadly.. companies are not in the curing business anymore.

than.

[Jarvan]

than.

I fuck up grammar like I... well.. Fuck.

Badly.

Also.. if you haven't ever noticed. I don't think when I type.

It hurts to much.



Not to mention correcting Grammar is a "Micro-Aggression" and Racist. Don't be Racist.

[Methais]

I don't think pot is as destructive as the idiot that wanted it outlawed because of Hemp really. At the same time, I also don't think it is perfectly ok like the people that use it.

people that want to use it always seem to claim it's 100% safe and nothing bad ever happens with it.

of course.. these are the same people that want to take away guns because if they can save one life, that's good. But if fatal accidents involving pot increase by just 2%... well.. that's no big deal really. (8% to 17% actually)

http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/10/news/stoned-driving-fatal-accidents/

as for CO...

http://gazette.com/study-finds-fatal-crashes-in-colorado-have-risen-since-legalized-marijuana/article/1559401

But you know... 23 people don't matter. And no.. traffic fatalities are higher in CO.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29404240/colorado-sees-10-percent-increase-traffic-deaths-2015

I am glad you found something for your tremors, tho that doesn't mean that it is safe.

The fact that you think only liberals smoke pot or support legalization is hilariously ignorant.

[Methais]

I have been using a strain that Willie Nelson has on the market that has a higher CBD content called CherWillie. I take about 3 puffs and within a minute or two, the tremors stop. It's a high energy strain as well so you don't feel like a fucking vegetable for the next 6 hours. Everything about it makes any opioid I have tried seem completely worthless, no risk of addiction, no vomiting and I can function like a normal human.

Clearly this stuff is dangerous! Someone call the cops, it's for your own good!

[Methais]

Distraction argument is distracting. Please try to make a valid logical argument supporting recreational pot use. Pot is a psychoactive, our already overly immature and emotionally weak population doesn't need MORE ways to demonstrate it's immaturity and emotional weakness. And no, alcohol's level of harm is not anywhere near close to the level of harm cause by smoking and sugar so please spout some more bullshit about how it's the most harmful drug.

How much first hand experience do you have with pot, Mr. Freedom?

I'm gonna guess none, since you think that pot can only be ingested by smoking or by loading it up with sugar.

And really...sugar? Please post the entire contents of your kitchen so we can make sure you don't have anything that uses sugar as an ingredient, or a container full of actual sugar. Especially since I'm sure all those empty calories from all those booze are quite healthy for both you and your liver.

It's amazing people are still this ignorant about pot. I wonder how well Reefer Madness 2 would do in theaters if they made a today version of it.

[~Rocktar~]

I think alcohol causes more damage than weed.

Please go back and re-read the origional argument. Also, we don't really know how much damage weed does because we don't know what all it does and how much can actualy be attributed to it. For example, we don't know the long term effects and damage to society by indirectly lowering the IQ of habitual tokers. We do know the long term affects of alcoholism and so on.

OH, and this:


I have been told by the media and other exceptionally biased and ignorant sources that alcohol causes more damage than weed.

FTFY

[~Rocktar~]

I can't stress how much it has sucked to have to leave my entire family behind so I can seek out medicine that stops my tremors without the risk of becoming dependent on a narcotic, which I refuse to take. And as usual this is all being held up by retard politicians with notions of Reefer Madness in their minds. But here man let us feed you these opioids, they are perfectly harmless.

And I am 110% behind moving it to the schedule II narcotics list. I also don't think that it should be done like they did in Kalifornia by allowing it to be prescribed for pretty much anything.

[~Rocktar~]

did i read correctly that rocktar thinks marijuana and sugar are more harmful than alcohol?

:thinking:

No, you didn't. As usual your reading comprehension failed. I said that smoking as in regular tobacco use and sugar are more harmful than alcohol. Please at least TRY to pay some attention and get it right when you want to mock people.

[~Rocktar~]

How much first hand experience do you have with pot, Mr. Freedom?

I'm gonna guess none, since you think that pot can only be ingested by smoking or by loading it up with sugar.

And really...sugar? Please post the entire contents of your kitchen so we can make sure you don't have anything that uses sugar as an ingredient, or a container full of actual sugar. Especially since I'm sure all those empty calories from all those booze are quite healthy for both you and your liver.

It's amazing people are still this ignorant about pot. I wonder how well Reefer Madness 2 would do in theaters if they made a today version of it.

How much first hand experience do you have with rational debate/argument?

I am guessing none, since you haven't posted one in memory and since you seem to argue that I suggested anything to do with the method of consumption of pot. Here's a hint, I didn't say anything about how it could be consumed.

Yes, sugar. Please post the entire contents of your brain so we can make sure that you actually have enough neurons to post here and operate your lungs at the same time. Huge amounts of sugar are added to foods for no reason to make them more popular/aesthetically pleasing/etc. and since diabetes and obesity are massively more harmful than alcohol to the general population, it was an accurate argument.

It's amazing that you think this childish and vapid temper tantrum is an argument. I wonder how you manage to generate enough mental energy to sit up in the morning? I am just sad that one day your addled, half brain dead husk will likely be supported by my tax dollars.

[GS4Pirate]

Well, a lot more states are passing medical marijuana laws. Guess it depends on what state your family is in.

PA just passed the law. Unless of course they don't offer it for your condition, which is silly.. since my Mom was just in CA, and the tour person said that if you wanted to smoke some pot, there was a DR's office there, and pointed to a corner, that would write you a prescription for a back ache, and a dispensary there... and pointed to a diff corner. To get it.

Family is back home in Iowa, they passed a bill allowing use of CBD, cool right? Wrong, lawmakers in Iowa are among the retards, CBD can't be produced or transported in the state. The Iowa pharma board just decided last week to leave it listed as a schedule 1 substance.

Moved to Montana, who allow Medical Cannabis and I thought I had found my ticket. Turns out you have to run this long gauntlet here to get a state approved card. They also are trying to change the law, get this, a doctor who prescribes Cannabis will only be allowed 25 patients and dispensaries will only be allowed to have 3, yes 3, clients. So for every doctor there will need to be 8 dispensaries. Again, retards, retards everywhere.

I have been making the drive to Washington, I'm still breaking the law but at least I know what I'm getting when I make a purchase. Last Thursday I got popped in Idaho for 3/8's of an ounce, it sucked for me and the officers that pulled me over. Here I am making this retarded looking attempt at signing the ticket for possession, literally I was tearing the ticket with the pen and the officers had to fucking help me sign my name. One of the officers was in tears and had to go back to the car, he knew the whole situation was fucked up. After the fact, I was not pissed about the ticket, I was not pissed at the officers, I was not pissed about the $100 I had just pissed away, I was angry because, now I have to go two weeks with no fucking medicine.

[Methais]

How much first hand experience do you have with rational debate/argument?

I am guessing none, since you haven't posted one in memory and since you seem to argue that I suggested anything to do with the method of consumption of pot. Here's a hint, I didn't say anything about how it could be consumed.

Yes, sugar. Please post the entire contents of your brain so we can make sure that you actually have enough neurons to post here and operate your lungs at the same time. Huge amounts of sugar are added to foods for no reason to make them more popular/aesthetically pleasing/etc. and since diabetes and obesity are massively more harmful than alcohol to the general population, it was an accurate argument.

It's amazing that you think this childish and vapid temper tantrum is an argument. I wonder how you manage to generate enough mental energy to sit up in the morning? I am just sad that one day your addled, half brain dead husk will likely be supported by my tax dollars.

Well I mean you've been posting here for years and I still haven't seen one post by you indicating you're capable of rational anything. You're basically the right wing Backlash of these forums.

So instead of answering the question (which we already know the answer is you have no first hand experience with pot, so clearly you're the expert here) you just go straight for baseless insults. Please keep that in mind next time you tell some random liberal how dumb they are because they go straight to the insults because they don't have any real argument.

The best part is where you said I was having a temper tantrum when your entire post is one big temper tantrum.

Either go jerk off to that weird whatever the fuck it is shit you're into on that other forum, or go smoke a joint. It must be hard being pissed off at nothing all the time.

[GS4Pirate]

alcohol

You do know alcohol is almost like pure sugar, yes?

[Androidpk]

Family is back home in Iowa, they passed a bill allowing use of CBD, cool right? Wrong, lawmakers in Iowa are among the retards, CBD can't be produced or transported in the state. The Iowa pharma board just decided last week to leave it listed as a schedule 1 substance.

Moved to Montana, who allow Medical Cannabis and I thought I had found my ticket. Turns out you have to run this long gauntlet here to get a state approved card. They also are trying to change the law, get this, a doctor who prescribes Cannabis will only be allowed 25 patients and dispensaries will only be allowed to have 3, yes 3, clients. So for every doctor there will need to be 8 dispensaries. Again, retards, retards everywhere.

I have been making the drive to Washington, I'm still breaking the law but at least I know what I'm getting when I make a purchase. Last Thursday I got popped in Idaho for 3/8's of an ounce, it sucked for me and the officers that pulled me over. Here I am making this retarded looking attempt at signing the ticket for possession, literally I was tearing the ticket with the pen and the officers had to fucking help me sign my name. One of the officers was in tears and had to go back to the car, he knew the whole situation was fucked up. After the fact, I was not pissed about the ticket, I was not pissed at the officers, I was not pissed about the $100 I had just pissed away, I was angry because, now I have to go two weeks with no fucking medicine.

3/8s of an ounce seems like an odd measurement

[GS4Pirate]

3/8s of an ounce seems like an odd measurement

I buy 1/8th ounce tins, 3 of them last me about 2 weeks and it's about $100. There is no way in hell you transport an ounce or more, most states that's where it goes from a simple misdemeanor to a whole slew of Felony charges.

[Androidpk]

that seems pricey for WA

[GS4Pirate]

You can get ounces there for $125, but again I would be sitting behind bars right now if I had an ounce. Price depends on the strain and the retailer. I was paying $180 for that amount back home and it was a crap shoot if there was any CBD in the product, most of the street stuff has no CBD and the cheap shit is usually laced with PCP or some shit. I'm sure I would have found cheaper given more time to explore the market, but I was perfectly happy with what I was paying.

I'm currently being considered for a position in Washington as an apartment maintenance guy, it would be the perfect gig for me, would make settling there so much more affordable and I could finally put this shit behind me...for now.

[~Rocktar~]

It must be hard being pissed off at nothing all the time.

Actually, I was not all that pissed but hey, keep making assumptions. By the way, even my angriest or most depressed day is better than any day being you.

[Warriorbird]

Well I mean you've been posting here for years and I still haven't seen one post by you indicating you're capable of rational anything. You're basically the right wing Backlash of these forums.

So instead of answering the question (which we already know the answer is you have no first hand experience with pot, so clearly you're the expert here) you just go straight for baseless insults. Please keep that in mind next time you tell some random liberal how dumb they are because they go straight to the insults because they don't have any real argument.

The best part is where you said I was having a temper tantrum when your entire post is one big temper tantrum.

Either go jerk off to that weird whatever the fuck it is shit you're into on that other forum, or go smoke a joint. It must be hard being pissed off at nothing all the time.

Practical philosophy from Methais!

[GS4Pirate]

Tomorrow I could go to the doctor and be prescribed as much oxycontin as I want, I could say fuck it, down a fistful of pills and end the bullshit. (don't worry not a serious thought) But a near harmless substance that works better and is impossible to O.D. on and I risk going to prison.

If you don't see the problem here, you're a fucking retard...no, you make retards look smart.

[Jarvan]

Tomorrow I could go to the doctor and be prescribed as much oxycontin as I want, I could say fuck it, down a fistful of pills and end the bullshit. (don't worry not a serious thought) But a near harmless substance that works better and is impossible to O.D. on and I risk going to prison.

If you don't see the problem here, you're a fucking retard...no, you make retards look smart.

I agree with you, it is ridiculous.

But near Harmless is not Harmless. And unless you want the entire population that decides to do pot high 24/7, even the video you linked says that occasional users drive much worse when under the influence. My original post about it was to point out the fact that people jump the gun with laws and executive actions before actually looking at the consequences, or to have consequences in place, and usually it's because they want to be seen as the "Progressive" or "Conservative" people. (It easily applies to the stupid laws conservatives pass without thinking as well)

As odd as it sounds, since I have never done any illegal drug, and never want to. I really do feel all drugs should be legal. Every last one of them. Then controlled and sold by the Government.

But if you take one of the real bad ones... I think you should be cut off from society. No free anything. Not even live saving medical care. If you decide you want to shoot heroin, or smoke crack. That's on you, and you have no right at all to be a burden on society or other people other then your family if they even want you.

With pot... I still think it should be sold by the government and not by people. There is way to much corruption in it already. Look at what they tried to do in Ohio.

Of course.. for people that smoke it.. it still ranks up there with one of the stupidest things you can do in life. I know it's not the same as tobacco, I know there are many ways to smoke it where you are not burning paper and such, but seriously.. it is never good to introduce something into your lungs that was not meant to be there. I mean.. it's smoke. Unless someone starts saying the Pot smoke has healing properties on the lungs, it's not good for the lungs. Better to just eat the damn shit.

[Mumblz]

And unless you want the entire population that decides to do pot high 24/7
.

[GS4Pirate]

I agree with you, it is ridiculous.

But near Harmless is not Harmless. And unless you want the entire population that decides to do pot high 24/7, even the video you linked says that occasional users drive much worse when under the influence. My original post about it was to point out the fact that people jump the gun with laws and executive actions before actually looking at the consequences, or to have consequences in place, and usually it's because they want to be seen as the "Progressive" or "Conservative" people. (It easily applies to the stupid laws conservatives pass without thinking as well)

As odd as it sounds, since I have never done any illegal drug, and never want to. I really do feel all drugs should be legal. Every last one of them. Then controlled and sold by the Government.

But if you take one of the real bad ones... I think you should be cut off from society. No free anything. Not even live saving medical care. If you decide you want to shoot heroin, or smoke crack. That's on you, and you have no right at all to be a burden on society or other people other then your family if they even want you.

With pot... I still think it should be sold by the government and not by people. There is way to much corruption in it already. Look at what they tried to do in Ohio.

Of course.. for people that smoke it.. it still ranks up there with one of the stupidest things you can do in life. I know it's not the same as tobacco, I know there are many ways to smoke it where you are not burning paper and such, but seriously.. it is never good to introduce something into your lungs that was not meant to be there. I mean.. it's smoke. Unless someone starts saying the Pot smoke has healing properties on the lungs, it's not good for the lungs. Better to just eat the damn shit.

Yes, smoke is bad for the lungs. That's about all you said that makes sense. Using your logic, I must assume anyone that drinks, is drunk 24/7, I sure the fuck know that ain't true. You really don't know what you are talking about, it can be delivered in many fashions, lotions, patches, candies, vaping. Yea, we did the Government liquor stores as well at one time. Look what New York did, $50,000 to apply to be one of the chosen few suppliers and you lost that money even if you were not among the few they chose, if you were chosen you had to pay another $250,000 dollars for the license fee.

In both Colorado and Washington all that weed is inspected and tested for potency and chemicals, then every container is labeled with the contents. Just like fucking alcohol. I'm sorry, no fucking way I want to have the Government in control of it. Sorry Jarvan you are completely out of the know on this subject.

[Androidpk]

ive been smoking weed for almost 20 years. had a pulmonary function test last year and my lungs were in perfect condition.

[GS4Pirate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWXuaMXfbJA

Yea, let's put the Government in charge of it, they are always so honest and open.

[GS4Pirate]

ive been smoking weed for almost 20 years. had a pulmonary function test last year and my lungs were in perfect condition.

That's because we don't smoke a pack of joints a day, it's a red herring argument.

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[ClydeR]

I had an epiphany when I saw the title to this thread. "Accommodate" and "commode" are spelled the same way. They probably have the same origin. Stated another way, Obama says schools must commode transgender students. The way I can see this deep stuff is almost spooky.

[Jarvan]

Yes, smoke is bad for the lungs. That's about all you said that makes sense. Using your logic, I must assume anyone that drinks, is drunk 24/7, I sure the fuck know that ain't true. You really don't know what you are talking about, it can be delivered in many fashions, lotions, patches, candies, vaping. Yea, we did the Government liquor stores as well at one time. Look what New York did, $50,000 to apply to be one of the chosen few suppliers and you lost that money even if you were not among the few they chose, if you were chosen you had to pay another $250,000 dollars for the license fee.

In both Colorado and Washington all that weed is inspected and tested for potency and chemicals, then every container is labeled with the contents. Just like fucking alcohol. I'm sorry, no fucking way I want to have the Government in control of it. Sorry Jarvan you are completely out of the know on this subject.

Um... No shit it can be taken in multiple forms, I just said the morons that smoke it are stupid.

The 24/7 was in response to the video where the daily user drove better then the person that did it once in awhile. Ok.. Hyperbole for 24/7. But that isn't the point. If you are another one of those people that think being high doesn't affect anyone's driving at all, well... I'll just say good day.

[Jarvan]

ive been smoking weed for almost 20 years. had a pulmonary function test last year and my lungs were in perfect condition.

I know someone that smoked 3 packs a day for 70 years. Died falling down the stairs.

But yeah.. you know... your individual experience is right and science is wrong. Thanks for that.

[Androidpk]

I know someone that smoked 3 packs a day for 70 years. Died falling down the stairs.

But yeah.. you know... your individual experience is right and science is wrong. Thanks for that.

why am i not surprised that someone who smoked 700,000+ cigarettes couldnt even walk down stairs. also my anecdotal story was just that, anecdotal.

[GS4Pirate]

Um... No shit it can be taken in multiple forms, I just said the morons that smoke it are stupid.

The 24/7 was in response to the video where the daily user drove better then the person that did it once in awhile. Ok.. Hyperbole for 24/7. But that isn't the point. If you are another one of those people that think being high doesn't affect anyone's driving at all, well... I'll just say good day.

I said way back like 2 pages ago that I don't think this, have you been in the sauce?

Again going by your logic, driving while drinking must be ok, because alcohol is legal. No one dies from alcohol poisoning and it's not harmful to the body. If these are your concerns about ending cannabis prohibition, it must be true that alcohol is harmless or you would be demanding it once again be illegal.

I'm going to be honest with you Jarvan, I have never once been in a debate on this subject and have an anti-legalization person have any reasoning other than, I don't like pot heads. Every argument they offer is based off bullshit that has been debunked decades ago. The "I don't like potheads" argument is not good enough to continue to put people in jail, separate families and take away medicinal options. It is the redneckiest subject out there and the current laws rely on this ignorance.

[Latrinsorm]

It is actually an interesting question... which is more important... the ability to pee/shower where you feel you should... or someone else's privacy. (Assuming for example that teenage girls don't want to shower with a GINO) ~Girl in Name Only~I really hope this was a pun.
Of course I don't claim it makes you a better driver. Just some push back to this nonsense that we should hold off on ending prohibition because of impaired driving, if you're that concerned about it, don't partake in the risky behavior of driving. I'm just going by a shot in the dark here, but I would imagine the majority of car accidents don't involve any substances at all.That is currently the case, but did not become so until the federal government forced states to lower their statutory DUI limits to 0.10 BAC. The system works! :)
We have conflicting reports here:Jarvan's looks at traffic fatalities specifically involving people who tested positive for marijuana, your source is of the opinion that those tests are inappropriate and so looks at fatalities overall. They are both telling a truth.
I'm going to be honest with you Jarvan, I have never once been in a debate on this subject and have an anti-legalization person have any reasoning other than, I don't like pot heads. Every argument they offer is based off bullshit that has been debunked decades ago. The "I don't like potheads" argument is not good enough to continue to put people in jail, separate families and take away medicinal options. It is the redneckiest subject out there and the current laws rely on this ignorance.If you're interested, here is some. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12446534)