The search for the perfect rack

[The Cat In The Hat]

Ok, so I'm toying with this. I was always against it until I had my baby and found out what it's like to weigh over 200. I've lost the weight, but I also lost the awesome rack that I got with it.

I havn't decided exactly if I want to do this or not, but im about to leave for a consultation just to find out *what* can be done and learn a bit more about it.

I was just wondering everyones views on cosmetic surgery. Have you ever had it done?

[Tsunami]

I have never had any cosmetic surgury, so I can't speak from experience. I think its a highly personal choice, if its what your really want, go for it. Just be very well informed, see more than one doctor about it. Weigh the pros and cons. Get as much information as you can before you decide. You can't ask too many questions.

I will say, breast enlargment is the one that would scare me the most, because of all the things I've heard that can go wrong, but like I said, be well informed.

Good luck with your decision!

[Edited on 11-22-2004 by Tsunami]

[StrayRogue]

A good rack is a good thing. Personally if you want to spend money to appease your vanity or the vanity of others (don't read this as bad, as EVERYONE does it), then thats cool with me.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Research your doctor is my advice.

The ex got her's done by some guy that'd touched more boobs than Wilt the Stilt, and he did a fantastic job, and she loved them (so did I). So go with a pro.

Edit to add - She went from a small C to a Big C. I'd stay in the human realm, though porn star boobs kick ass.

[Edited on 11-22-2004 by Suppa Hobbit Mage]

[Jorddyn]

Originally posted by The Cat In The Hat
I havn't decided exactly if I want to do this or not, but im about to leave for a consultation just to find out *what* can be done and learn a bit more about it.

I was just wondering everyones views on cosmetic surgery. Have you ever had it done?

I've never had plastic surgery (not to say that I won't!), but I had a friend who did. After a couple kids and losing weight, she just had hers lifted. No, it's not as dramatic as implants, but it is amazing what a difference it makes.

Additionally, if you have them lifted rather than "enhanced", you don't have to worry about replacement surgery every X years.

Jorddyn

[Eiderfleur]

Up until recently I was completely against cosmetic surgery, however, these days I'm thinking of having a breast reduction, having the problems I have with bra shopping, the back pain I have to deal with constantly, not being able to leave the house without a bra on, people staring at my chest, talking to my chest, amongst other things. I would love to have a breast reduction and lift, however what does scare me most is a doctor fucking up, you hear so many stories, that being said you usually hear the horror stories on TV not so much the success stories.

If I were you I would ask friends or people you know who have had surgery and if you see a pair of tits you like ask her where she got em from heh. Word of mouth is a good way to help narrow down choices. Also on top of this do research yourself, don't go with a doctor because you feel they are pressuring you, go with someone who makes you feel comfortable and you feel will do a good job.

Also good luck!

[xtc]

Finally a truly quality thread :).

If you have followed a sensible eating plan and exercised and are still unhappy with your rack I say go for it. I am not sure I have ever seen a boob lift but I have seen plenty of fake ones. If the boob lift will give you the desired result I say go with that. Natural boobs are so much nicer.

[Edited on 11-22-2004 by xtc]

[Parkbandit]

Good fake boobs > bad real boobs

Get them done and send me pics. I'll give you my unbiased opinion on them.

Thanks.

[Skeeter]

I have quite a few friends who have gotten boob jobs.

Every single one of them is extremely happy with their new rack.

[SpunGirl]

I'd explore the possibility of a boob lift, Cat, before the full-on implant idea. A pair of medium-size perkies are just as great as huge ones, IMO, but less risk.

-K

[Wezas]

Breast Reduction surgery makes the baby Jesus cry. :saint:

[Delirium]

I wouldnt ever complain about big titties but id worry my SO would lose sensitivity there and thus would make it a bad decision. Is that a problem that happens? I dont know but i know it used to be at least.
sensitive small breasts>huge ass titties with no sensitivity

[Eiderfleur]

Originally posted by Wezas
Breast Reduction surgery makes the baby Jesus cry. :saint:

That may be so, but if it upsets him so much let him have my tits! I'll settle for a D cup.

The scars from a boob lift can be quite horrendous if not done correctly, something I have looked into briefly too.

Just search all choices, you're getting a lot of ideas here that will help with your decision Cat.

[SpunGirl]

Just don't go to the same surgeon Tara Reid did.

-K

[Wezas]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
Just don't go to the same surgeon Tara Reid did.

-K

Yeah, her nipple looked like a piece of stretched beef jerky.

[Chelle]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
I'd explore the possibility of a boob lift, Cat, before the full-on implant idea. A pair of medium-size perkies are just as great as huge ones, IMO, but less risk.

-K

I second this idea. Though, I think the doctor can show how they would look with just a lift. I think they have a computer program for that. Id see how they look with a lift, and see how they look with implants. A friend of mine had implants, because she worked at Hooters. They looked great and she got more tips. So her boobs eventually paid for themselves. Though she did have problems with them getting stiff, the doctor recommended massaging them everyday. There will be things you have to do to help them, so to speak. Oh and the pain she was in during recovery wasn't pretty either. She showed me the stitches a week after, she was still swollen and the boobs were plasticy looking. But if you can make it through all that, then go for it!

[Edited on 11-22-2004 by Chelle]

[Polariz]

Fake tits suck.



:thanx:

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Chelle
Though she did have problems with them getting stiff, the doctor recommended massaging them everyday.

I'm willing to do that for my woman, because I'm just a sweet guy like that.

Originally posted by Polariz
Fake tits suck.



:thanx:

Someone's obviously a virgin.

- Arkans

[Chelle]

Hahaha Wezas, you are so sweet. I just realized how sigworthy that quote is. heh

[Chyrain]

after my babies, i've suffered from a little deflation. but i still wouldn't get a boob job. anyone who is going to be worth my time to get naked with, will understand that a woman who has gone through the pains and trials of pregnancy and labor (with twins even) won't care either way.

the other guys can go get bent as far as I'm concerned.

[Kuyuk]

I'd say get a breast lift before getting implants, bigtime.

Also research, research, research, research, hire a private eye to do more research on any doctors you're thinking of.


K.

[AnticorRifling]

As long as the ass is firm and round the boobs don't matter much.

But if you're going to get them done make sure you get firm and perky because that beats size anyday. I'd rather have perky B's than flabby D's, but perky C's are perfection :cool:


Also go with whatever makes YOU happy because that's most important.

[Methais]

<<but I also lost the awesome rack that I got with it. >>

How about a "then" and "now" pic? For advice purposes only, of course :D

[Shari]

I find something like this more of a personal choice, just make sure to do your research.

Personally, I've found most guys don't give a good god damn WHAT size your breasts are, so long as they just get to see them.

[DeV]

Everyone has given the best advice you could hear so I'll just throw in my 2 cents and say for educational purposes you should definitely post before and after pics... even if you don't get the boob job. :D

[Wezas]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold
Everyone has given the best advice you could hear so I'll just throw in my 2 cents and say for educational purposes you should definitely post before and after pics... even if you don't get the boob job. :D

:stupid:

[Gazaroth]

The bad news: 2 things. It could be that you were engorged with milk for so long you think that there was a loss in size, that actually didn't happen. Its common to think you went down, and really didn't. A little droopiness is bound to happen just due to the functioning of the milk ducts, with engorgement, and release. Size reduction is possible if you did a crash diet after childbirth, which is not recommended anyway. Age also plays a factor in the prior.

2, there is no perfect rack. I can say something is perfect, someone else won't like, and vice versa. The "perfect rack" is all mental, and all in your head.

The good news: if you are not happy with them, don't just jump in without any research. There are many options. Lifts, tucks, trims, implants, etc. If you do go with implants there are even more options for those: under muscle, over muscle, in the belly button, through the nipple...etc, etc. If you want to keep a natural look, its best to go with an implant through the bellybutton, under the muscle, and no more then 1 cup size increase. And if you have a good doctor, he'll build in a natural droop, so you don't have the tight waterballoon effect.


Just my .02 cents.

p.s. I perfer natural, non implanted myself, so if i were you, I'd just leave them to themselves.

[The Cat In The Hat]

Ok, I went, I was fondled and I have some nice ink marks on me.

The doctor is certafied by the ASPS, and he really seemed to care about if I was making the right choice. They were all really nice, loaded me down with more info (above the info I spent the last month searching around on the internet for) and I had them look at my other problem spots for advice as well.

My reasoning for wanting this is simply because, even though ANY woman will tell you that one is slightly smaller than the other, the difference to me, even though nobody else can really *see* it, is signifigant. Probably because I look down all the time.

He told me that if this was the only reason I wanted to fix them, that he would advide against it because there was absolutley *no* way to not make them feel like your typical fake breasts. I really would like them to be the size they were (large B, now they're a small B) but I was really more concerned with the difference *I* see.

I really did alot by getting my weight back down from a post-pregnancy 210 pounds, to almost my original weight before I had my baby. She was worth it, and I would do it all over again, but I would also give anything to be exactly the way I was before. I never appreciated my body really before I lost it, and used to think I was obease at 125 pounds, now im going "What the fuck was I thinking? A t-shirt over my bikini? That was dumb."

Thanks for all your advice and info, I'm still thinking about it, and I still might do it and if I do.. yeah there will likely be before and after pics available since I did sign a waiver to let them be released to their website if I do decide to go through with it.

If you want them that bad, you get to find out where on your own :bouncy:

*Edited because I can't spell...

[Edited on 11-22-2004 by The Cat In The Hat]

[Kuyuk]

Oh, now that's teasing.:rant:


K.

[Polariz]

Originally posted by Arkans

Originally posted by Polariz
Fake tits suck.



:thanx:

Someone's obviously a virgin.

- Arkans

Um yeah, that must be it. I suppose my wife experienced immaculate conception then....twice.

Who'da thunk!


~Polariz

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Polariz
Um yeah, that must be it. I suppose my wife experienced immaculate conception then....twice.


immaculate conception = Mailman

....twice.

[Keller]

Originally posted by Wezas

Originally posted by Polariz
Um yeah, that must be it. I suppose my wife experienced immaculate conception then....twice.


immaculate conception = Mailman

....twice.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Before and after pics, please. yeah fuck it, I'm the third one to say it, but sheeeeit...

Oh yeah, titties are great, but it's all about the TNA, know what I'm sayin'?

[The Cat In The Hat]

Originally posted by Kuyuk
Oh, now that's teasing.:rant:


K.

Is not!

I likely will have something done, not just sure what yet. Weighing my options, so to speak. My Doctor had some concerns, suggestions, and the people here brought up a lot of good ideas and I :heart: them for it.

[Edited on 11-22-2004 by The Cat In The Hat]

[Marl]

just remember, most I know you have gotten large breast implants, grow into them meaning 5'1 100 pound girls who go to a large c- turn into 5'1 150-175 pound girls with a large c-d

[The Cat In The Hat]

... Ive been over 200, I will NEVER go back there again even if I have to cut it off myself... NEVER


Did I mention NEVER?!

[Shari]

.....So, what you mean to say is, if I had my breasts removed I could be 110lbs again!?!


<starts looking up a surgeon>

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by The Cat In The Hat
If you want them that bad, you get to find out where on your own Five bucks says Wezas has the site bookmarked (covertly, of course) already.

[The Cat In The Hat]

Likely not, since the only info he has to go on is "Gothique/Jennifer, breast enlargement/Virginia"

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Go with the porn star titties!

[Wezas]

Originally posted by The Cat In The Hat
Likely not, since the only info he has to go on is "Gothique/Jennifer, breast enlargement/Virginia"

Southeastern, VA

And I can narrow it down more then that if I want :saint:

[Nakiro]

Do what makes you feel good!

[Soulpieced]

Ick, SOVA.

[The Cat In The Hat]

Newport News, if you want to get Technical.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by The Cat In The Hat
Newport News, if you want to get Technical.

No worries - my private investigator is still researching a good way of bumping Jesae's man off.

[LadyLuck]

Originally posted by Chyrain
anyone who is going to be worth my time to get naked with, will understand that a woman who has gone through the pains and trials of pregnancy and labor (with twins even) won't care either way.

the other guys can go get bent as far as I'm concerned.

Well said. Granted, I appreciate and respect one's decision either way. I have been pestered since I was freshman in high school to "share" my wealth (32DD), by the time I was a junior was a 34F. And it didn't stop there, just don't care to share here publicly. Believe me... being endowed isn't a blessing... especially when you're fit otherwise. And, weight gain makes em even bigger. I lost 54 pounds in pregnancy and still couldn't find breast feeding bras. I lost in pregnancy because I'm a miserable person pregnant and was morning, afternoon, night sickness for all 9 mos, was sick as hell, couldn't keep ANYTHING down... dwindled down to near nothing but belly, butt and boobs.

I could more than share nightmares but won't. It's irony too, as my A, B, and C cupped friends admired me, I admired them moreso... for SO MANY reasons.

I have a lot of friends, and relatives, who have had endowments, as well as reductions, or mere lifts. More reductions and/or lifts. One thing freaks me out about the whole thing.... messing with the nerves around my nipples. NO. Not willing to risk that. One of my best friends from age 16 to 27 had a lift. That's all it took for her. She was well endowed. Had a lift after giving birth to three kids, but lost nipple sensitivity (I'd never risk that). She's happy regardless... yeah, she has pretty big perky boobs, but her lover will never be able to stimulate her from them.

I dreamed of being able to afford a reduction and lift from about age 23-27. Now. Well. I'm older, and could give a rat's ass what the male thinks (or, female for that matter... lots look my way still). I've given birth... OMG, no bras during breast feeding fit. lol And yeah... women come in all sizes and shapes, and racks of all types. I'm happy where I am so screw him if it's not up to perky par. I have boobs, and I'm grateful for that, given friends and relatives who've lost one or more to cancer, etc. I have two that function for my sexual pleasure, for another baby to feed if I choose to get pregnant again, and they function just fine for a lover.

Besides, the whole function of the rack is to provide the best possible nutrition for your baby. And, secondly.... my own gratification during foreplay. Could care less what some lad wants to see. The right one will always appreciate them, and have the pleasure of using them to BOTH our advantage since I would not risk reduced sensitivity. The right one will appreciate them.

So, KUDOS! Well stated!

[Shari]

<3 Lady Luck

Wezas, I own guns. Well, the boyfriend does. But, I'm a better shot than him. Especially with the Colt. ;)

[Nakiro]

The entire "screw what he thinks" argument is kinda selfish.

That's like saying "I'm not going to brush my teeth. If she loves me, she'll kiss me anyway."

[LadyLuck]

Originally posted by Nakiro
The entire "screw what he thinks" argument is kinda selfish.

That's like saying "I'm not going to brush my teeth. If she loves me, she'll kiss me anyway."

Once you've found true love, and wake up with that dragon breath from both, you'll reconsider.

But to even compare surgery to brushing teeth, come on Nakiro... I expect wee more from you hon. And yeah, if you love her, you'll wake up and kiss her either way... and if you're lucky, she'll love you enough to take your morning breath, too.

[Nakiro]

Its a simple analogy for a complex situtation.

But what I'm trying to say is people should be willing to change (even if it involves sacrifice) to please their lover.

Likewise, people should learn to love and appreciate their lover for who they are entirely.

[Delirium]

Originally posted by Nakiro
The entire "screw what he thinks" argument is kinda selfish.

That's like saying "I'm not going to brush my teeth. If she loves me, she'll kiss me anyway."

All i know is i would NOT risk losing sensitivity in my penis even if they could add several inches to it. If thats selfish so be it im a selfish bastard who wants to enjoy myself. Also selfishly im a guy who likes playing with breasts(big shock i know) no matter what the size or shape. If it doesnt feel good for her or worse no feeling whatsoever most of the thrill of it leaves. I dont think its selfish to not risk changing cause it very well could wreck one of your more sensitive areas of the body.

[Eiderfleur]

Originally posted by Nakiro
Its a simple analogy for a complex situtation.

But what I'm trying to say is people should be willing to change (even if it involves sacrifice) to please their lover.

Likewise, people should learn to love and appreciate their lover for who they are entirely.


It was the worst analogy you could have used, however if you said something along the lines of you having a penis enlargement in exchange for your fiance having a breast enlargement, then that would be a better analogy.

I for one am glad George has never once asked me to change and he never will. In fact every time I mention breast reduction/lift surgery he tells me that I shouldn't because there is nothing wrong with them and he loves me no matter what, he enjoys playing with them as they are, however if i stick with my plan and actually, one day in the future do decide to have surgery he will still love me and be there for me.

Lady Luck has made some very very good points, I can sooooo relate to the "share the wealth" comments, I remember walking down the road at age 12 and a bloke shouting across the street "Oi big tits!" and laughing, looking around to see the unfortunate person he was referring to and realising it was me.

As the end of the day I am the one who should be happy with what I have, as for my fiance, he is happy merely to see my happiness (sounds soppy, but it is true).

Also as a side note, similar thing happened to one of my aunts, she has had two children, however she has also had five miscarriages :/ . With these pregnancies she has gone from an average B cup, to being almost flat chested. Her husband is more than happy with what she has and when she suggested a boob job he told her not to do it on account of him and if it would make her happy then to think long and hard about it.

This, in my opinion is how a loving couple should act towards one another, as for being selfish I think that is an awful thing to say.

Ok I've started babbling now so will leave it there.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Eiderfleur
It was the worst analogy you could have used,It didn't involve Nazis, therefore it could have been worse.

And a person not caring what other people care about is the definition of selfish, so it's not really an "awful" thing to say.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
And a person not caring what other people care about is the definition of selfish, so it's not really an "awful" thing to say. It wasn't awful but it was very short-sighted. When the "other people" refers to your lover it's called give and take. Also, your definition of selfish is way off.

[Eiderfleur]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by Eiderfleur
It was the worst analogy you could have used,It didn't involve Nazis, therefore it could have been worse.

And a person not caring what other people care about is the definition of selfish, so it's not really an "awful" thing to say.

So every time someone has commented on my breasts I should care? If that were the case I would have had a breast reduction at 18!

As far as I'm concerned Lady Luck was saying she doesn't care about what others say about her breasts, her other half seems to not be bothered and loves her as she is. So why should she care what other people say or think?

I've had men ask me constantly if mine are real, if they can touch them, actually groped me because they seem to think that they have a right to touch my breasts because they are there. I've had women stare daggers at me simply because I have something they don't. PLEASE FEEL FREE I never ever asked for my breasts to be this size, as for being selfish.... Do I care about what every man and his dog have to say about my breasts? I can say I used to when I was younger, these days, however, I only care what my loved ones think, my immediate family, and my soon to be husband. He loves my breasts as they are, however, if I choose to change something about them he would still love them and me.

Lady Luck's comment wasn't about being selfish. After all it is her body and her choice as to how to look after it.

She does not want to lose feeling in her nipples and after research decided not to have surgery. Selfishness does not come into the equation when it is your own body.

/End rant

[DeV]

Well said, Eider.

Wtf.. selfish because you don't give two shits what someone thinks about your breasts or anything else on your body for that matter. Laughable.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold
When the "other people" refers to your lover it's called give and take.So you agree with Nakiro?
Also, your definition of selfish is way off. "Concerned chiefly or only with oneself" is what my dictionary says. If all I care about is myself, I can't care about other people. And if I don't care about what they care about, I can't care about them.
Originally posted by Eiderfleur
So every time someone has commented on my breasts I should care?I don't recall telling anyone what they should or shouldn't do (in this topic), but if you don't, then you are selfish, or self-centered, if you prefer less negative connotation.
So why should she care what other people say or think? That wasn't what Nakiro was talking about. Here it is again, emphasis mine:
Originally posted by Nakiro
people should be willing to change (even if it involves sacrifice) to please their lover. Note that there is no mention of people outside of the relationship.
Originally posted by Eiderfleur
Selfishness does not come into the equation when it is your own body. I'd say that selfishness is more accepted when it is your own body, but I suppose that's a semantics issue.
I've had women stare daggers at me simply because I have something they don't.I'm sorry that some (most) [all] women are crazy. :)

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
I'm sorry that some (most) [all] women are crazy. :)

A great tribute to a great man.

[Eiderfleur]

I won't quote your last post because there were way too many quotes in there.

If I was not in the relationship I am in now and my partner told me to have a boob job for their own selfish satisfaction of having the girl with the biggest tits in their street I would tell him that his average size penis simply will not do and until he goes and has a penis enlargement so I can date someone who has a 9 inch penis he cannot comment on my tits.


As for the rest of the comments...... I am not in the mood to go into as it is after 6pm and because of the fact I am not selfish I am going to go cook for my fiance as he is unwell.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
So you agree with Nakiro? I agree with everything Ladyluck and Eider have stated. If my girlfriend doesn't like the fact that I have a six pack stomach and wants me to gain a gut because she finds that more attractive would it be selfish if I told her, "hell no"?

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
"Concerned chiefly or only with oneself" is what my dictionary says. If all I care about is myself, I can't care about other people. And if I don't care about what they care about, I can't care about them. That would be true if all they cared about was themself and were intentionally not caring about what their partner liked. That obviously isn't the case, therefore your definition holds about as much weight as a single cell amoeba.
I'm sorry that some (most) [all] women are crazy. :) I'm sorry that God gave (most) [all] men a penis and a brain, but only enough blood to run one at a time.

[hectomaner]

Originally posted by Nakiro
Its a simple analogy for a complex situtation.

But what I'm trying to say is people should be willing to change (even if it involves sacrifice) to please their lover.

Likewise, people should learn to love and appreciate their lover for who they are entirely.

so you'd rather be something you arent just to please your lover, rather than find someone who loves you how you ARE, and not sacrifice things that make you who you are?

i tried that one time, thinking that i needed to please her, and change things about me, and the only thing it did was bite me in the ass. sorry, but i like being me, not how someone else wants me to be

and i totally agree with the endowment not being a blessing, one of my best friends throughout high school was 5'3" and 135 lbs and had 36E and she had to get a breast reduction. it was killing her back, making it hard to buy tops and bras. was the right choice for her

i do remember this one time when she was skinny dipping in my pool, she was completely under water and her boobs wer floating in the water like bouy's (sp?). i think i still have the pic somewhere, it was the best ever

[Eiderfleur]

[i]Originally posted by DarkelfVold
I'm sorry that some (most) [all] women are crazy. :) I'm sorry that God gave (most) [all] men a penis and a brain, but only enough blood to run one at a time.


:heart::heart::heart: DEV Finally! Someone who actually understands what I was trying to say!

[Eiderfleur]

Originally posted by hectomaner
and i totally agree with the endowment not being a blessing, one of my best friends throughout high school was 5'3" and 135 lbs and had 36E and she had to get a breast reduction. it was killing her back, making it hard to buy tops and bras. was the right choice for her

i do remember this one time when she was skinny dipping in my pool, she was completely under water and her boobs wer floating in the water like bouy's (sp?). i think i still have the pic somewhere, it was the best ever

At age 11 I think I was a 34D. My breasts have grown continually and still to this day they seem to be growing. I hate them, I hate bra shopping, going into a shop and thinking to myself "Yeah I'll just buy the same size I bought last time" and realising that when I wear it it cuts into my breast and makes it look like I have double tits on each side, realising the cup size has grown, yet again.

The back pain is another thing, I used to sit with a slouched back and I fucked up my posture simply in an attempt to hide the fact my boobs were bigger than everyone else's at my school.

I can totally relate to the swimming thing, I went scuba diving for the first time last year, my fiance used to teach scuba diving abroad so he was the one helping me out/teaching me on the trip. Even though I had weights in my diving jacket they simply were not enough to stop me from floating and he even had to take some weights from his own jacket to put into mine to save us going back up to the boat.

Big breasts suck!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

<Big breasts suck! >

I think that should be, "Suck big breasts!".

[CrystalTears]

I wish I could sleep on my stomach without smooshing and hurting my poor girls. :cry:

[Shari]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold
I'm sorry that God gave (most) [all] men a penis and a brain, but only enough blood to run one at a time.

I am SO stealing this quote.

[Czeska]

I can totally relate to the swimming thing, I went scuba diving for the first time last year, my fiance used to teach scuba diving abroad so he was the one helping me out/teaching me on the trip. Even though I had weights in my diving jacket they simply were not enough to stop me from floating and he even had to take some weights from his own jacket to put into mine to save us going back up to the boat.


Same thing happened to me in Aruba. The instructor was like "MORE? You need MORE weights?!"

And now that I'm pregnant, they're going to keep growing :stares: I told my husband I just want to take them off and let him have them, then he can play with them all he wants, and I won't be suffering with their pain.

We'd both be happier.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold
If my girlfriend doesn't like the fact that I have a six pack stomach and wants me to gain a gut because she finds that more attractive would it be selfish if I told her, "hell no"? You are putting your wants ahead of her wants, therefore yes. Whether or not that's a good thing is a different discussion.
That would be true if all they cared about was themself and were intentionally not caring about what their partner liked.I didn't notice the concept of intentionality in my dictionary definition, mostly because it wasn't there. However, you are free to misunderstand me whenever I use the word selfish. :)
Originally posted by Hectomancer
so you'd rather be something you arent just to please your lover, rather than find someone who loves you how you ARE, and not sacrifice things that make you who you are?Just because I am something doesn't mean it is inherently good for me to remain that way. For instance, if I were a torturer of small animals (I am not), it would not be a good thing for me to continue doing so. Change is not something to be feared and avoided at all costs.

[Caiylania]

Originally posted by Jesae

Originally posted by DarkelfVold
I'm sorry that God gave (most) [all] men a penis and a brain, but only enough blood to run one at a time.

I am SO stealing this quote.

Damnit. Beat me to it :D

[CrystalTears]

There's a difference between bettering yourself for the good of yourself and others, and completely another for someone to request and expect a change in appearance strictly for the enjoyment.

The request in itself is just as much, if not more, of a selfish act than the person refusing to make that kind of change. If you don't like the person as is when you hooked up, then move on. I abhore people who try to change the people THEY CHOSE to be with. Either accept or move on.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by DarkelfVold
If my girlfriend doesn't like the fact that I have a six pack stomach and wants me to gain a gut because she finds that more attractive would it be selfish if I told her, "hell no"? You are putting your wants ahead of her wants, therefore yes. Whether or not that's a good thing is a different discussionNot to mention my health and whatever other problems that could result in me packing on 20 pounds so as to put her wants ahead of mine. That would be selfish on her part as well based on your logic. This is one of the main reasons that..........

everything can't be defined by what's stated in the dictionary or what you might view as being black and white. The definition of selfish as implied by the dictionary rarely holds true to the numerous situations/decisions you can encounter with your partner in life which can be defined as selfish, but are in fact, not. It's called sacrifice. If you've ever dated and/or been in a relationship, the concept of either partner being selfish would cancel each other out constantly based on every day lifestyle choices and situations.

:socool: I am officially sig worthy.

[CrystalTears]

Sorry, but if my fiance told me to go get my breasts enlarged, not only would be I spewing "no fucking way" for about an hour, I'd get them reduced because they're too fucking big!

So if I tell him that he should get some shrinkage done cause I'm into guys with vienna sausages, he should comply because I asked him? Gimme a break. :rolleyes:

Oh yeah, and size does matter. Shaddap Adredrin. :moon2:

[Edited on 11/23/2004 by CrystalTears]

[hectomaner]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by Hectomancer
so you'd rather be something you arent just to please your lover, rather than find someone who loves you how you ARE, and not sacrifice things that make you who you are?Just because I am something doesn't mean it is inherently good for me to remain that way. For instance, if I were a torturer of small animals (I am not), it would not be a good thing for me to continue doing so. Change is not something to be feared and avoided at all costs.

touche

yeah i guess i was thinking more along the lines of more extreme situations, like one of my ex's was trying to make me change religous beliefs and other views, wasnt thinking of things that would be more along the lines of 'normal' change, if that makes any sense

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold
That would be selfish on her part as well based on your logic. Well duh. :P
everything can't be defined by what's stated in the dictionary I'm not trying to be overly contradictory here, but yes it can. That's how a dictionary works. You are free to disagree with it, but the very concept of a language requires words to mean the same thing day by day. Year by year changes are ok, but if we're to communicate, we must have a more or less universal set of definitions.
The definition of selfish as implied by the dictionary rarely holds true to the numerous situations/decisions you can encounter with your partner in life which can be defined as selfish, but are in fact, not. It's called sacrifice.I have no idea how you can describe the same event as selfish and sacrificial. They strike me as antonyms. Maybe you could help me understand? :)
Originally posted by CrystalTears
So if I tell him that he should get some shrinkage done cause I'm into guys with vienna sausages, he should comply because I asked him? Gimme a break. Once again, I haven't said what anyone should or should not do (in this topic), nor do I get where the notion keeps coming from. All I'm saying is that if one puts oneself before others, one is selfish.
Originally posted by hectomancer
yeah i guess i was thinking more along the lines of more extreme situations, like one of my ex's was trying to make me change religous beliefs and other views, wasnt thinking of things that would be more along the lines of 'normal' change, if that makes any sense It does.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Lemme dumb this down for those of us with the penis.

Members of the itty bitty titty committee want bigger fun bags.

Those who require over the shoulder boulder holders want smaller whohas.

Some (most) [straight] men like titties, of all shapes and sizes.

PS - I like this topic. We should all post pictures of our chests and comment on them.

[Diamondback]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
Concerned chiefly or only with oneself" is what my dictionary says. If all I care about is myself, I can't care about other people. And if I don't care about what they care about, I can't care about them.

Self"ish, a. 1. Caring supremely or unduly for one's self; regarding one's own comfort, advantage, etc., in disregard, or at the expense, of those of others.

The part in bold is the part of the word selfish that most here are disagreeing with as it does have a negative connotation. I think that someone weighing all the possible pros and cons and deciding that the risks of such not medically required surgery outweigh the benefits would not fall under the definition above.



I'd say that selfishness is more accepted when it is your own body, but I suppose that's a semantics issue.


Of course the person in question is making the decision about what is, in end, in their own best interest but whose reasoning is I think lacking the negative stigma that you obviously knew went along with word in question. It seems to me that because you still insisted on using it when there are many less provocotive terms you could have used makes you the one engaging in semantics in this case

[DeV]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
I'm not trying to be overly contradictory here, but yes it can. That's how a dictionary works. You are free to disagree with it, but the very concept of a language requires words to mean the same thing day by day. Year by year changes are ok, but if we're to communicate, we must have a more or less universal set of definitions.While you may be correct in stating that dictionaries are in place so that words retain a universal meaning ... it's not that cut and dry. Especially when it comes to relationships.
People have different definitions for many of the same words and every word spoken and created by mankind cannot be found in a dictionary.

The fact that you're saying someone is selfish for making a personal decision that will affect themself more so than anyone else, just because they're in a relationship and their partner might not want the same thing, is just plain dumb. It might be the dictionary definition but its a pretty dumb thing to even imply because we know it's not so.

Based on your logic, every decision a couple makes that might not be agreeable to the other party is a selfish one.

The reason I bring sacrifice into it is because that's just what it is. I hope you don't plan on getting in a relationship and thinking everything your partner doesn't do to please you is selfish.

[Eiderfleur]

[Originally posted by DarkelfVold I hope you don't plan on getting in a relationship and thinking everything your partner doesn't do to please you is selfish.

I hope he ends up in a relationship where his partner is dissatisfied with the size of his penis and asks him to have a penile enlargement which may or may not have adverse side effects on penile function.

Then we will see who is being selfish.

Its exactly as you defined it. She wont get her boobs enlarged for you making her selfish, you get a penis enlargement first. See what it's like with the tables turned.

[Edited on 11-24-2004 by Eiderfleur]

[The Cat In The Hat]

And all of this from my innocent little question!

Some of you need drugs!

[Delirium]

I think the word "selfish" can be used for too many things. If i dont want to work 90 hours a week am i selfish for not providing more for my family? Is it selfish if i wouldnt want my girlfriend to risk losing sensation in any of her erogenous zones? I think you could apply selfish motivation to almost all actions if you tried hard enough. You could even argue the most altruistic act is done for the selfishness of the feeling after doing so.

Oh yeah, where does the line start for the drugs?

[Edited on 11-24-2004 by Delirium]

[Eiderfleur]

Originally posted by Delirium
Oh yeah, where does the line start for the drugs?

[Edited on 11-24-2004 by Delirium]

When you find it could you direct me to it?

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Diamondback
It seems to me that because you still insisted on using it when there are many less provocotive terms you could have used makes you the one engaging in semantics in this case
Originally posted by me, hours and hours ago
I don't recall telling anyone what they should or shouldn't do (in this topic), but if you don't, then you are selfish, or self-centered, if you prefer less negative connotation.:shrug:
Originally posted by Diamondback
I think that someone weighing all the possible pros and cons and deciding that the risks of such not medically required surgery outweigh the benefits would not fall under the definition above. I would agree. However, that's not what prompted the original comment. Here's the original comment:
The entire "screw what he thinks" argument is kinda selfish.

As for negative stigma, I believe this to be a fairly intelligent board (side note: welcome to the board! :)), and I thought it would be clear that I wasn't insulting anyone.
Originally posted by Darkelfvold
It might be the dictionary definition but its a pretty dumb thing to even imply because we know it's not so. I don't understand. Either it is the dictionary definition, or it isn't. I'm not claiming to have total comprehension of every relationship every member of this board has ever been in, nor have I ever claimed such.
Originally posted by Eiderfleur
Then we will see who is being selfish.

Its exactly as you defined it. She wont get her boobs enlarged for you making her selfish, you get a penis enlargement first. See what it's like with the tables turned. If my only reason for not getting a larger penis was my own enjoyment/peace of mind, I would be being selfish too. I kind of resent the implication that I'm a hypocrit, btw.
Originally posted by Delirium
You could even argue the most altruistic act is done for the selfishness of the feeling after doing so. Like taking pride in being humble. It's one of the things I think about the most, in terms of things like that.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by Darkelfvold
It might be the dictionary definition but its a pretty dumb thing to even imply because we know it's not so. I don't understand. Either it is the dictionary definition, or it isn't. I'm not claiming to have total comprehension of every relationship every member of this board has ever been in, nor have I ever claimed such.If you aren't claiming to have total comprehension because its obvious you don't, then it would be unsafe for you to assume anything about anyone being selfish by definition or not.

Concerning it either being a dictionary definition or not... bling-bling used to only be a slang term that meant little to most people. However, since it's now an officially defined term, just because you may wear around jewelry that awesomly reflects light, doesn't mean you would be considered bling-blinging just because the dictionary says so. Dictionaries evolve by logical necessity.

[The Cat In The Hat]

Originally posted by Delirium

Oh yeah, where does the line start for the drugs?

[Edited on 11-24-2004 by Delirium]

You get Saltpeter!

Eiderfleur get's Prozac.

[Eiderfleur]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by Eiderfleur
Then we will see who is being selfish.

Its exactly as you defined it. She wont get her boobs enlarged for you making her selfish, you get a penis enlargement first. See what it's like with the tables turned. If my only reason for not getting a larger penis was my own enjoyment/peace of mind, I would be being selfish too. I kind of resent the implication that I'm a hypocrit, btw

Your partner asks you to have a penis enlargement because your penis is just too small even though it is average size, she wants you to have a 9 inch penis. You research penile enlargement surgery, realise there may be risks, you may even lose sensitivity, and possibly the ability to ever have an errection..... Would you be selfish in telling her NO WAY BIZATCH My 7' penis is fine for your sister so it should be fine for you damnit!

Oh wait, by your definition of selfish, yes that would indeed make you very selfish for not realising that she needs someone with a bigger cock.

Riiiiiight!:lol:

[Delirium]

Saltpeter! I had to look it up


A transparent white crystalline compound, KNO3, used to pickle meat and in the manufacture of pyrotechnics, explosives, matches, rocket propellants, and fertilizers. Also called saltpeter.

No no no i want drugs that can produce a high, not blow myself up.

[Eiderfleur]

Originally posted by Delirium
Saltpeter! I had to look it up


A transparent white crystalline compound, KNO3, used to pickle meat and in the manufacture of pyrotechnics, explosives, matches, rocket propellants, and fertilizers. Also called saltpeter.

No no no i want drugs that can produce a high, not blow myself up.


KNO3 Hmmmm Am I the only one who read that s KNOB? hehe Too many carnal thoughts. :saint:

[The Cat In The Hat]

Originally posted by Delirium
Saltpeter! I had to look it up


A transparent white crystalline compound, KNO3, used to pickle meat and in the manufacture of pyrotechnics, explosives, matches, rocket propellants, and fertilizers. Also called saltpeter.

No no no i want drugs that can produce a high, not blow myself up.

It's what they supposedly give guys in jail so they don't fuck each other.

I see three that might need a double dose :lol:

[Delirium]

It's what they supposedly give guys in jail so they don't fuck each other.

I see three that might need a double dose


I dont very often get the urge to fuck guys in jail tho. Cant i have good drugs like ativan or klonopin or a mixture of all three?

[Betheny]

Spend a lot of time in jail?

[The Cat In The Hat]

Take Anafranil, you'll feel like you're three.

Just stay off the roof while you're on it, you won't bounce as well as you *think* you will.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Eiderfleur
Riiiiiight! :lol:I don't get the humor. I put myself first, I'm selfish. I put my health first, I'm still selfish. I put my enjoyment first, I'm still selfish.
Originally posted by Darkelfvold
then it would be unsafe for you to assume anything about anyone being selfish by definition or not. It's not an assumption. I have a condition that has to be met for the dictionary definition to be applied. A person exhibits that condition. I don't understand how I'm somehow forbidden from applying the definition.

A dictionary can change, I agree, and already said that. I don't see how that invalidates any current edition of a dictionary.

[Delirium]

Originally posted by Maimara
Spend a lot of time in jail?

Thankfully not tho i am a convicted felon. :yes:

[Sean]

I don't think the word sensitive has evolved in my lifetime.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
It's not an assumption. I have a condition that has to be met for the dictionary definition to be applied. A person exhibits that condition. I don't understand how I'm somehow forbidden from applying the definition.

A dictionary can change, I agree, and already said that. I don't see how that invalidates any current edition of a dictionary.
The dictionary considers an act to be selfish if it is, "in disregard, or at the expense, of those or others." Since you would still consider her actions to be selfish as you have so professed I'm lead to beleive that your argument is dervied from a egoist way of thinking.

Forget being selfish since everything we do in life can be perceived as selfish from your viewpoint. I like to think outside the box but it's nice to know you admit to being selfish yourself and have proved to be so numerous times throughout this thread. Believing that the main motivations for any human actions are selfishly motivated is a selfish way of thinking. I'll just beg to differ with you and go on my way.

It's beyond me how I helped in turning a perfectly good thread about BOOBS into this mumble jumble.

[Stunseed]

You should post yours as to bring us back on topic. :yes:

[Eiderfleur]

DEV I've just given up on trying to explain what I meant to Latrinstorm.

I guess being bilingual and having grown up speaking Armenian at home and English only at school, has made it so that my vocabulary in either language isn't as great as I would like it to be. So sometimes I simply cannot get the message I want across.

I can think of what I want to say in both languages so discussions like this tend to get my frustrated. I end up asking my fiance for help with words because his vocabulary is far far better than my own.

It's just sad that Latrinstorm thinks it is selfish for a woman to not want to risk her body for a boob job for her partner.

As for how this discussion got sidetracked....... Well I have no idea, I think Cat is right in saying we need drugs hahaha.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Stunseed
You should post yours as to bring us back on topic. :yes: I would love to but it just wouldn't be right. :P

[Eiderfleur]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold

Originally posted by Stunseed
You should post yours as to bring us back on topic. :yes: I would love to but it just wouldn't be right. :P


Damn you!!!!!!111111


You're all mouth and no trousers! Feh! :cry:

[Stunseed]

It'd be worth the demerits, I promise. :smilegrin:

[DeV]

I give up also Eider...but I'm sure most of us got your meaning just fine. :yes:

[DeV]

Originally posted by Stunseed
It'd be worth the demerits, I promise. :smilegrin: Believe me, the demerits would not be the only thing up in the air.

omg, I'm so bad.

[AnticorRifling]

Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
Lemme dumb this down for those of us with the penis.

Members of the itty bitty titty committee want bigger fun bags.

Those who require over the shoulder boulder holders want smaller whohas.

Some (most) [straight] men like titties, of all shapes and sizes.

PS - I like this topic. We should all post pictures of our chests and comment on them.

^ For president.

[Stunseed]

I'd have to agree with SHM on that one....

Some (most) [straight] men like titties, of all shapes and sizes.

See? You wouldn't be posting them in vain, DEV. ;)

[The Cat In The Hat]

I like titties too...

Been trying to get my hands on Jolenas for like the last year!

[Nakiro]

Well, let me rephrase.

People change throughout their life. If you plan on being with someone your entire life and are not willing to adapt to the evolution of your relationship, more than likely you will grow apart.

I believe being in a relationship requires you to put enough weight on the opinion of your signifigant other; enough so that you consider doing something you otherwise wouldn't do.

[Stunseed]

< Been trying to get my hands on Jolenas for like the last year! >

Well worth the wait, I promise.

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by Nakiro
I believe being in a relationship requires you to put enough weight on the opinion of your signifigant other; enough so that you consider doing something you otherwise wouldn't do.

Like breast enlargement? :P

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold
The dictionary considers an act to be selfish if it is, "in disregard, or at the expense, of those or others." Obviously we have different understandings of the same words.
Forget being selfish since everything we do in life can be perceived as selfish from your viewpoint.Not true. Doing something for someone else would fall outside my definition rather easily. Which makes this conclusion...
Believing that the main motivations for any human actions are selfishly motivated is a selfish way of thinking....unsound, and incidentally it also happens to be an incorrect assessment of my beliefs.
Originally posted by Eiderfleur
It's just sad that Latrinstorm thinks it is selfish for a woman to not want to risk her body for a boob job for her partner.What's sad is that you persist in putting this on me. I don't control the/any dictionary. "Concerned chiefly or only with oneself" is what I'm working with. I don't understand how reading a book makes me pitiable, but I can't discuss things with myself (in public) so I guess it's all for naught.

[Nakiro]

Originally posted by CrystalTears

Originally posted by Nakiro
I believe being in a relationship requires you to put enough weight on the opinion of your signifigant other; enough so that you consider doing something you otherwise wouldn't do.

Like breast enlargement? :P

Yep :)

But considering and doing are not the same thing.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
blah blah blahDude, whatever.