Duskruin High End Offerings

[SashaFierce]

Okay, so here is the list and a brief overview of the new distribution method. Wiki friendly!

*Pre-made Items
**ChaosJewelry - Tier 3 unlocked.
**Branding Iron
**Enchanting Potions
**ChronoFlare dagger - 5x, vultite.
**Fusion Armors - The ones from the Mar and Scar, 3 socket, padded.
**Multi-setting Gold Rings - Multiple settings similar to the Mar and Scar's old inventory.
**X/day spell items
* Services
**Weighting - +10 on top of what you got.
**Padding - +10 on top of what you got.
**TD - +10 on top of what you got.
**Enchanting - +5 on top of what you got.
**Weight Reduction - 20% (+10% on top of what you have, capped at 50%).
**Splitting Weapon - Added to an unscripted weapon, unlocked with fluff addition.
**Epic Deepening
**WoundedWear - Tier 3 unlocked.
**VolnArmor - Tier 4 unlocked.
* Limited Quantity
** Undead Bane - Flares or +8 weighting.

The new distribution will be a shop that will increase the price by a percentage per purchase. The purchaser will have the price locked (and lock others from purchasing) for a short duration (30 seconds) to make the choice. Those who also wish to buy the item will be entered into a queue and be chosen at random to go next. This is all done by getting the price on the item. There is a cooldown given to the purchaser so others have a chance to buy an item as well. The prices will be announced later, but they will range significantly. Many items 100k+ with some items climbing much higher. There is also that "mid-tier" pricing between 30k to 50k which I feel is high-tier.

I'll obviously have more details about this in the coming days.


Wyrom, APM


http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Quests%60Sagas%60Events/Duskruin%20Arena/view/3008

ORIGINAL PRICE LIST: http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Quests%60Sagas%60Events/Duskruin%20Arena/view/3301
NEW PRICE LIST: http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Quests%60Sagas%60Events/Duskruin%20Arena/view/3470
Pricing will increase per sale from 10% to 50% depending on rarity of service.


**Sale** | **Type** | **Price**| **Notes**|** New Sale **|** New Type **|** New Price **|** New Notes **
Undead Bane |Service | 400,000 | 5 total.|Undead Bane |Service | 400,000 | 5 total.
Additional Weighting |Service (+5) | 300,000 | Added to currently weighted.|Additional Weighting |Service (+5) | 250,000| Added to currently weighted.
Fresh-slate Weighting |Service (+10) | 250,000 | Weapons with no weighting.|Fresh-slate Weighting |Service (+10) | 100,000| Weapons with no weighting.
Additional Padding |Service (+5) | 200,000 | Added to currently padded. |Additional Padding |Service (+5) | 150,000| Added to currently padded.
Fresh-slate Padding |Service (+10) | 25,000 | Armor with no padding.|Fresh-slate Padding |Service (+10) | 25,000 | Armor with no padding.
Additional TD |Service (+5) | 250,000 | Can be added to other TD bonuses.|Additional TD |Service (+5) | 250,000 | Can be added to other TD bonuses.
Enchant |Service (+5) | 200,000 | Standard enchant.|Minor Enchant |Service (+5) | 25,000 | 7x and under.
X| X| X| X|Major Enchant |Service (+5) | 100,000| 8x and over.
Additional Acuity Flare |Service (+5) | 50,000 | 10 total.|Additional Acuity Flare |Service (+5) | 25,000 | 10 total.
Fresh-slate Acuity Flare|Service (+30) | 25,000 | 10 total.|Fresh-slate Acuity Flare|Service (+30) | 25,000 | 10 total.
Additional Mana Flare |Service (+1) | 50,000 | 10 total.|Additional Mana Flare |Service (+1) | 25,000 | 10 total.
Fresh-slate Mana Flare |Service (+3) | 25,000 | 10 total.|Fresh-slate Mana Flare |Service (+3) | 25,000 | 10 total.
Weight Reduction |Service (+20%) | 125,000 | Adding 20% to weight reduction.|Weight Reduction |Service (+20%) | 75,000 | Adding 20% to weight reduction.
Splitting Weapon |Service | 175,000 | Weapon can't be scripted (fluff can be removed). Unlocked with zests.|Splitting Weapon |Service | 175,000 | Weapon can't be scripted (fluff can be removed). Unlocked with zests.
Voln Armor |Service | 150,000 | Armor must be Voln Armor prior.|Voln Armor |Service | 150,000 | Armor must be Voln Armor prior.
WoundedWear |Service Tier 3 | 75,000 | Unlocking woundedwear to max tier.|WoundedWear |Service Tier 3 | 50,000 | Unlocking woundedwear to max tier.
ChaosJewelry |Premade Tier 3 | 75,000 | The One Ring. But, like, multiples.|ChaosJewelry |Premade Tier 3 | 50,000 | The One Ring. But, like, multiples.
ChronoFlares |Premade | 100,000 | 5x, vultite.|ChronoFlares |Premade | 100,000 | 5x, vultite.
Branding Iron |Premade | 100,000 | Stops the bleeding.|Branding Iron |Premade | 100,000 | Stops the bleeding.
Fusion Armor |Premade | 30,000 | +17, HCP, 3-slot. The ones from the Mar and Scar.|Fusion Armor |Premade | 30,000 | +17, HCP, 3-slot. The ones from the Mar and Scar.
12-Setter Gold Ring |Premade | 150,000 | The good stuff.|12-Setter Gold Ring |Premade | 125,000 | The good stuff.
Greater Elemental Flare |Premade | 20,000 | 6x. The ones from the Mar and Scar.|Greater Elemental Flare |Premade | 20,000 | 6x. The ones from the Mar and Scar.
Bromin Potion |Premade (10 pours) | 60,000 | Enchanting potions.|Bromin Potion |Premade (40 pours) | 75,000 | 8x Enchanting potions.
Aleteh Potion |Premade (11 pours) | 70,000 | Enchanting potions.|Aleteh Potion |Premade (40 pours) | 90,000 | 9x Enchanting potions.
Grenshol Potion |Premade (12 pours) | 80,000 | Enchanting potions.|Grenshol Potion |Premade (40 pours) | 100,000 | 10x Enchanting potions.

[SashaFierce]

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If you want an idea of some of the starting prices, I'd look at the Duskruin auction that had a lot of these and what they sold for or the starting price when it was sold off the shelf. Those (for the most part) will be where we'll likely start with this. And to be clear, the price of the items go up for everyone, not just the buyer. The timer to buy is kind of like TicketMaster. Won't help someone who is waffling though.


Wyrom, APM


http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Quests%60Sagas%60Events/Duskruin%20Arena/view/3023

[SashaFierce]

Duskruin Auction #1:

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?98078-DuskRuin-Auction

Offered this time:
Improvement:|Won @ Auction For:
UB:|450k
Weighting:| 450k
TD:| 450k
Padding:| 250k
Enchant Potions:| 160k
Splitter:| 145k
25% Weight Reduction:| 60k


Not Offered this time:
Blink: 260k
Coin Hand: 210k
Weapon Bandolier: 80k
Cross-Realm: 75k
Pet Phoenix: 65k
Property: 55k
Sighting: 40k
Custom Moods: 40k
Defender: 10k

[Donquix]

Splitting is offered.

[SashaFierce]

The most recent auction:

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?101007-Duskruin-Arena-Auction

[SashaFierce]

>>Makes sense for the big ticket services (ud bane, padding, weighting, etc) but the off the shelf stuff (fusion armors, greater flaring, etc.) wasn't auctioned that I'm aware of which is why i'm curious if say, the HCP/3slot brig is going to start at 30k and go north, or start at say 20k for the first lucky few. Trying to gauge what people might need to even try to bother to be the first lucky ones to crash the gates on sunday.

The fusion armor will start at 30000 here. I understand that logic, and that will be applied to some other stuff. But the price increase will be a percent based on the item's cost too. So let's just say something was extreme like 50%. It climbs from 30000 to 45000. It's not as extreme as some examples I've seen, but that's how it would work.

One thing to keep in mind, the alternative is to go back to 1 of each and auctioned. We need to control the supply of these items in some fashion. Not everything is priced and will be priced so it can be flipped for profit (which is almost always the case). This gets items to people who want them and are willing to buy them at whatever the cost.

>>I think that's actually it for anything 1k+

A good rule of thumb is 2500 for 5x and 10000 for 6x. If the item has other properties, the price is adjusted. Fluff scripts typically up the price if they are unlocked. Flares and stuff like that is more significant. And then you have stuff like common and uncommon flares that are varying.

We'll try to get signs out. GM Haliste has been helping with these.


Wyrom, APM


http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Quests%60Sagas%60Events/Duskruin%20Arena/view/3031

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http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Quests%60Sagas%60Events/Duskruin%20Arena/view/3008

And dusk ruin is awesome once again.

[SashaFierce]

Sale Type Price Notes
Undead Bane Service 400,000 5 total.
Additional Weighting Service (+5) 300,000 Added to currently weighted.
Fresh-slate Weighting Service (+10) 250,000 Weapons with no weighting.
Additional Padding Service (+5) 200,000 Added to currently padded.
Fresh-slate Padding Service (+10) 25,000 Armor with no padding.
Additional TD Service (+5) 250,000 Can be added to other TD bonuses.
Enchant Service (+5) 200,000 Standard enchant.
Additional Acuity Flare Service (+5) 50,000 10 total.
Fresh-slate Acuity Flare Service (+30) 25,000 10 total.
Additional Mana Flare Service (+1) 50,000 10 total.
Fresh-slate Mana Flare Service (+3) 25,000 10 total.
Weight Reduction Service (+20%) 125,000 Adding 20% to weight reduction.
Splitting Weapon Service 175,000 Weapon can't be scripted (fluff can be removed). Unlocked with zests.
Voln Armor Service 150,000 Armor must be Voln Armor prior.
WoundedWear Service Tier 3 75,000 Unlocking woundedwear to max tier.
ChaosJewelry Premade Tier 3 75,000 The One Ring. But, like, multiples.
ChronoFlares Premade 100,000 5x, vultite.
Branding Iron Premade 100,000 Stops the bleeding.
Fusion Armor Premade 30,000 +17, HCP, 3-slot. The ones from the Mar and Scar.
12-Setter Gold Ring Premade 150,000 The good stuff.
Greater Elemental Flare Premade 20,000 6x. The ones from the Mar and Scar.
Bromin Potion Premade (10 pours) 60,000 Enchanting potions.
Aleteh Potion Premade (11 pours) 70,000 Enchanting potions.
Grenshol Potion Premade (12 pours) 80,000 Enchanting potions.
Pricing will increase per sale from 10% to 50% depending on rarity of service

[SashaFierce]

Yes, epic deepening won't be for sale at the shop. I'll be selling that live, in person.

The spell items just need some further discussion before I post them.

I knew I forgot to leave a note about those.

Just as an FYI, the fresh-slate padding is priced cheaper because we offer it via Premium Points as well.

Some stuff, like the weight reduction, is +20%, so you could bring in something that already has it and add on top of it.

Lastly, like the auction before, we have a one service per item rule.

http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Quests%60Sagas%60Events/Duskruin%20Arena/view/3308

[Nephelem]

250k to add +10 fresh weighting is kinda crazy. They definitely don't need to worry about people turning a profit on any of that.

[Maerit]

Did they say scripted items are not eligible for fresh slate padding (fusion)?

[drauz]

Fresh-slate Acuity Flare Service (+30) 25,000 10 total.


What does the (+30) mean? Is that an enchant limit?

[Allereli]

What does the (+30) mean? Is that an enchant limit?

6x acuity, they go by the +AS

[Hazado]

These prices are fucking out of their mind crazy. The one service i wanted is $1200 dollars. Undead bane is $3200 for just the first person. Fucking crazy simutronics. Fucking crazy.


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[drauz]

So how quickly do you have to get the service done?

[Archigeek]

A little over the top. Glad I haven't wasted my time on it.

[drauz]

Whats the going rate for scrips?

[Hazado]

1k BS = 1m = $8


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[Archigeek]

Whats the going rate for scrips?

They seem to be selling fairly promptly at 1m per 1000 scrip. This price list may cause that to fluctuate. I'm not seeing much on the list that's really going to be affordable to very many people, which means the few items that are, are going to be heavily chased by those wondering what to do with the bloodscrip they have in hand.... which means that with the escalating price structure, the price on those will go up quickly. Have fun folks!

[drauz]

So is anyone going for the fresh acuity flares?

[Izalude]

lol $480 for a bromin (8x enchanting) potion. You can get 8x heavily crit padded brig for not that much more.

[Daiyon]

Looks like I have not missed anything. These prices are insane, and except for a few people with some very specific items, probably not worth paying.

[Izalude]

Yeah, some of these prices are so absurd that it's not even comical. Especially the enchanting potions. You can get plain 10x armor or a weapon for under 75m. With these potions, assuming 1k BS for 1m, it would cost you 210 million to go from 7-10x. Or $1680. Even on the low side if you went the simucoin route, and you somehow managed to get 250 BS per attempt it would still cost you upwards of 110m, or $880.

And the best part is, you're still dealing with a baseline failure rate of 3%. So even if you do put out that money, there's a chance you can fail.

[Viekn]

And the best part is, you're still dealing with a baseline failure rate of 3%. So even if you do put out that money, there's a chance you can fail.

Considering how much time and money some people put in to their weapons, Simu probably needs to get rid of that 3% failure for anything 7x or 8x and above, as long as the project is within your abilities.

[Gnomad]

If you get a 3% failure on your final cast of one of those enchants, you deserve it for not using a gift of eonak.

But yeah, other than that, you're right. Ridiculous.

[Jarvan]

If you get a 3% failure on your final cast of one of those enchants, you deserve it for not using a gift of eonak.

But yeah, other than that, you're right. Ridiculous.

You sure you played GS? I mean, you have NEVER seen a back to back 2% spell hindrance chance roll fail?

[Wrathbringer]

Who is Destiny14 on the officials? Whoever you are, you constantly whine and cry like a little bitch.

[drauz]

Who is Destiny14 on the officials? Whoever you are, you constantly whine and cry like a little bitch.

He is the only person I have blocked on the forums.

[Wrathbringer]

It's fleurs...That's about right.

[Alashir]

Yeah, some of these prices are so absurd that it's not even comical. Especially the enchanting potions. You can get plain 10x armor or a weapon for under 75m. With these potions, assuming 1k BS for 1m, it would cost you 210 million to go from 7-10x. Or $1680. Even on the low side if you went the simucoin route, and you somehow managed to get 250 BS per attempt it would still cost you upwards of 110m, or $880.

And the best part is, you're still dealing with a baseline failure rate of 3%. So even if you do put out that money, there's a chance you can fail.

8700 pp's are going for 61m which Is more than enough to et any project piece from 7 to 10x :(. Prices are pretty nuts.

[Erous]

I get what Wyrom said on the officials about the high end items being for a niche group...but these prices are absurd. I was buying tickets because I enjoyed the arena and with the hopes that I'd maybe be able to get an item if I saved a bit and pushed if I got in early...but damn, they're so unobtainable for someone new to duskruin that I'm not going to bother spending any more money on tickets.

[GS4Pirate]

Who is Destiny14 on the officials? Whoever you are, you constantly whine and cry like a little bitch.

LOL, Destiny was the one saying Xayle has done 100x more than any other RR guru. Even the biggest of ass kissers were like, wait what?

[Gnomad]

You sure you played GS? I mean, you have NEVER seen a back to back 2% spell hindrance chance roll fail?I had it happen to me last week. I've had four 6/7% failures in a row trying to save my hunting partner. At that point, though, you haven't had a 3% failure, you've had a 0.09% failure and got straight fucked.

I agree it should be changed, but as things stand today, if you get one on a major project and you didn't use eonak, it's still your own damn fault. Major projects take enough time that you should always have one handy.

[Erous]

Update from Wyrom on the officials somewhere on page 2 or 3:

Let's not attack each other.

Also, the pricing is being discussed and I'll update it tomorrow. Couple deep breaths, everyone. It won't be as grandiose as PC1234's lineup, but we got some updates that will hopefully be better.

The items for sale are in a league of their own. Is it sustainable for a long time? No. But can we run it a couple times a year? Sure, with constant monitoring. Hence pricing being higher for this. There is a lot that is being offered, outside the high end item list. If it's not fun though, I don't recommend playing it. At the end of the day, you need to do what is important to you.

There are millions of bloodscrip out there, yes. There are millions from previous runs out there still. Try not to get overwhelmed though. The event by itself has a lot to offer. Don't get wrapped up in not being able to buy Undead Bane.

I also have something I want to deploy tomorrow (hopefully) that might be nice. Who knows.

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[Wrathbringer]

Update from Wyrom on the officials somewhere on page 2 or 3:

I also have something I want to deploy tomorrow (hopefully) that might be nice. Who knows.[/I]

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I hope it's a bomb. Although with Duskruin imploding economically, a bomb won't be necessary. All the unspent bs is about to be worthless. Unload while you can, I'll be surprised if we see more than one more duskruin.

[Kronius]

Holy crap. I knew prices would be high, but that... wow.

[Taernath]

Holy crap. I knew prices would be high, but that... wow.

It's just going to get worse, too.

[Ceyrin]

Does anyone know which 3slot fusion armors are for sale yet? Im sorely out of touch.

[zennsunni]

Duskruin is a fucking joke. Nothing but a bad simu money grab geared toward those that are categorically obsessed with this game. Meanwhile we still don't have enough capped hunting areas (e.g.) and they are spending time on crap like this.

[Donquix]

full leather, brig, aug chain, full plate. All +17, HCP, 3-slot

[Kronius]

Duskruin is a fucking joke. Nothing but a bad simu money grab geared toward those that are categorically obsessed with this game. Meanwhile we still don't have enough capped hunting areas (e.g.) and they are spending time on crap like this.

Fundamentally, Duskruin has caused a shift in the balance of the game, not only with higher-end gear, but in the enhancive space as well.

Considering how much money Duskruin has brought in previously, I'm surprised it has been hold off on being offered so far between the last run and now, all things considered.

[Viekn]

Duskruin is a fucking joke. Nothing but a bad simu money grab geared toward those that are categorically obsessed with this game. Meanwhile we still don't have enough capped hunting areas (e.g.) and they are spending time on crap like this.

I don't actually know shit as far as how Simu runs things. But I don't think you can argue there's been a fair amount of development in general over the last year as compared to previous years. (Not arguing the fact that capped hunting grounds are still severely lacking). But is it possible that the extra money Simu has seen from DR has helped to fuel some of that development work?


Fundamentally, Duskruin has caused a shift in the balance of the game, not only with higher-end gear, but in the enhancive space as well.

I see your point here as well. And I see that shift, especially when it comes to enhancives, as not being entirely a good thing.

[Enuch]

I disagree with Duskruin being a joke from a non capped players perspective. I have really enjoyed and while I am not the person that will accumulate 12.5k BS for the UAC gloves I still found it to be very fun. Sewers are fun with all the little loot treats it could be better or more involved but it's not terrible. I truly enjoy fighting in the arena, and while it's impossible for me to master it (19 is my record, 16 the norm) it's been so much fun, I have exclusively only hunted in the arena. The parity of the critters and the watch verb keep me on my toes. Is the treasure/shop system broke? Probably on the elite high end. For someone like me who instead of buying red bulls this month but simucoin for this event I more than got enough gear for my guy and some cool doodads and fluff.

I hope it does happen again, I will probably put in the same monetary commitment as well.

I do understand people's issues with how absurdly high the super high end stuff is and if they instead of doing that held some sort of super auction where every person who pays say 1k BS (one entry per and has to be present) has a chance to win an item and just auction off s bunch of medium to high stuff that would be cool. Or lower the super high end for the big dogs to get a bite but not force them to mortgage their futures. I get the exclusivity of it but if they wanted that degree of exclusivity then just put that part in platinum where the big money is being spent to begin with.

[Godsanvil]

Stuff for a niche group....Like just about every other decent thing in the game. This kind of Gear, item shops,..... Niche as in willing to spend a lot of real money to have fake stuff in a game. But people should spend your money on what you love.

[Godsanvil]

I disagree with Duskruin being a joke from a non capped players perspective. I have really enjoyed and while I am not the person that will accumulate 12.5k BS for the UAC gloves I still found it to be very fun. Sewers are fun with all the little loot treats it could be better or more involved but it's not terrible. I truly enjoy fighting in the arena, and while it's impossible for me to master it (19 is my record, 16 the norm) it's been so much fun, I have exclusively only hunted in the arena. The parity of the critters and the watch verb keep me on my toes. Is the treasure/shop system broke? Probably on the elite high end. For someone like me who instead of buying red bulls this month but simucoin for this event I more than got enough gear for my guy and some cool doodads and fluff.

I hope it does happen again, I will probably put in the same monetary commitment as well.

I do understand people's issues with how absurdly high the super high end stuff is and if they instead of doing that held some sort of super auction where every person who pays say 1k BS (one entry per and has to be present) has a chance to win an item and just auction off s bunch of medium to high stuff that would be cool. Or lower the super high end for the big dogs to get a bite but not force them to mortgage their futures. I get the exclusivity of it but if they wanted that degree of exclusivity then just put that part in platinum where the big money is being spent to begin with.
I Agree i am not capped i had fun. The times Arena is kind of crap imo though. If you have not made your charcter to speed kill stuff then you are screwed and will end up wasting alot of money. The things in the fights i can kill them but i cant kill them in one hit or cast every 3 seconds. They should have just made it longer with no herb use or something.

[Tarakan]

Duskruin is fun in moderation. In the arena, for $100 you'll earn around 25k bloodscript, a lot of fame and experience, a couple million silvers worth of random junk, and the chance to find a rare fluff item. This will take around 16 hours, which is a reasonable time commitment during a week and two weekends. When overplayed, however, Duskruin becomes a monotonous grind where any fun is irrelevant to the end goal. Managing player expectations has been a complete failure. It would be a vast improvement to just hold honest sales for the top items in the Simustore, and thereby remove the stench of disappointment from an otherwise decent event.

Tarakan

[Godsanvil]

Duskruin is fun in moderation. In the arena, for $100 you'll earn around 25k bloodscript, a lot of fame and experience, a couple million silvers worth of random junk, and the chance to find a rare fluff item. This will take around 16 hours, which is a reasonable time commitment during a week and two weekends. When overplayed, however, Duskruin becomes a monotonous grind where any fun is irrelevant to the end goal. Managing player expectations has been a complete failure. It would be a vast improvement to just hold honest sales for the top items in the Simustore, and thereby remove the stench of disappointment from an otherwise decent event.

Tarakan

If you can finish....I get to the last boss and run out of time every damn time.

[kcostell]

The sliding scale means there's not much difference between finishing at the last minute and coming up just short -- I've gotten 222 without killing the last champion, and 211 when I beat him at the very last second.

For the prize, you only need to beat the 3rd champion.

[Kronius]

But is it possible that the extra money Simu has seen from DR has helped to fuel some of that development work?

Zero percent chance.

[Godsanvil]

The sliding scale means there's not much difference between finishing at the last minute and coming up just short -- I've gotten 222 without killing the last champion, and 211 when I beat him at the very last second.

For the prize, you only need to beat the 3rd champion.
I have gotten 198 a few times not beating the last guy

[drauz]

Updated Pricing:


Sale Type Price Notes
Undead Bane Service 400,000 5 total.
Additional Weighting Service (+5) 250,000 Added to currently weighted.
Fresh-slate Weighting Service (+10) 100,000 Weapons with no weighting.
Additional Padding Service (+5) 150,000 Added to currently padded.
Fresh-slate Padding Service (+10) 25,000 Armor with no padding.
Additional TD Service (+5) 250,000 Can be added to other TD bonuses.
Minor Enchant Service (+5) 25,000 7x and under.
Major Enchant Service (+5) 100,000 8x and over.
Additional Acuity Flare Service (+5) 25,000 10 total.
Fresh-slate Acuity Flare Service (+30) 50,000 10 total.
Additional Mana Flare Service (+1) 25,000 10 total.
Fresh-slate Mana Flare Service (+3) 50,000 10 total.
Weight Reduction Service (+20%) 75,000 Adding 20% to weight reduction.
Splitting Weapon Service 175,000 Weapon can't be scripted (fluff can be removed). Unlocked with zests.
Voln Armor Service 150,000 Armor must be Voln Armor prior.
WoundedWear Service Tier 3 50,000 Unlocking woundedwear to max tier.
ChaosJewelry Premade Tier 3 50,000 The One Ring. But, like, multiples.
ChronoFlares Premade 100,000 5x, vultite.
Branding Iron Premade 100,000 Stops the bleeding.
Fusion Armor Premade 30,000 +17, HCP, 3-slot. The ones from the Mar and Scar.
12-Setter Gold Ring Premade 125,000 The good stuff.
Greater Elemental Flare Premade 20,000 6x. The ones from the Mar and Scar.
Bromin Potion Premade (40 pours) 75,000 8x Enchanting potions.
Aleteh Potion Premade (40 pours) 90,000 9x Enchanting potions.
Grenshol Potion Premade (40 pours) 100,000 10x Enchanting potions.
Pricing will increase per sale from 10% to 50% depending on rarity of service.

[Haldrik]

Can you do a table with before/after?

[drauz]

Sale Type Price Notes
Undead Bane Service 400,000 5 total.
Additional Weighting Service (+5) 250,000/OLD 300k Added to currently weighted.
Fresh-slate Weighting Service (+10) 100,000/ OLD 250K Weapons with no weighting.
Additional Padding Service (+5) 150,000/OLD 200K Added to currently padded.
Fresh-slate Padding Service (+10) 25,000 Armor with no padding.
Additional TD Service (+5) 250,000 Can be added to other TD bonuses.
Minor Enchant Service (+5) 25,000/OLD 200K 7x and under.
Major Enchant Service (+5) 100,000/OLD 200K 8x and over.
Additional Acuity Flare Service (+5) 25,000/OLD 50K 10 total.
Fresh-slate Acuity Flare Service (+30) 50,000/OLD 25K 10 total.
Additional Mana Flare Service (+1) 25,000/OLD 50K 10 total.
Fresh-slate Mana Flare Service (+3) 50,000/OLD 25K 10 total.
Weight Reduction Service (+20%) 75,000/OLD 125K Adding 20% to weight reduction.
Splitting Weapon Service 175,000 Weapon can't be scripted (fluff can be removed). Unlocked with zests.
Voln Armor Service 150,000 Armor must be Voln Armor prior.
WoundedWear Service Tier 3 50,000/OLD 75K Unlocking woundedwear to max tier.
ChaosJewelry Premade Tier 3 50,000/OLD 75K The One Ring. But, like, multiples.
ChronoFlares Premade 100,000 5x, vultite.
Branding Iron Premade 100,000 Stops the bleeding.
Fusion Armor Premade 30,000 +17, HCP, 3-slot. The ones from the Mar and Scar.
12-Setter Gold Ring Premade 125,000/OLD 150K The good stuff.
Greater Elemental Flare Premade 20,000 6x. The ones from the Mar and Scar.
Bromin Potion Premade (40 pours/OLD 10 POURS) 75,000/OLD 60K 8x Enchanting potions.
Aleteh Potion Premade (40 pours/OLD 11 POURS) 90,000/OLD 70K 9x Enchanting potions.
Grenshol Potion Premade (40 pours/OLD 12 POURS) 100,000/OLD 80K 10x Enchanting potions.
Pricing will increase per sale from 10% to 50% depending on rarity of service.

best that i'm willing to do, never messed with tables

[SashaFierce]

New and Old list side by side.

[drauz]

>>For the enchants are those the starting enchants or the ending enchant?

Starting enchant.

Wyrom, APM

25m for 7-8x isn't terrible

[drauz]

These services below are an "as time allows it."

Epic Deepening - Each worn spot may be different in capacity, I'll use cloaks as a base line.
**Albatross (cloak to 160) - 2000 bloodscrip
**RtCF (cloak to 180) - 4000 bloodscrip
**CCF (cloak to 200) - 6000 bloodscrip

Lesser Armor and Weapon Moods - 2500 bloodscrip


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[Schoolin']

25m for 7-8x isn't terrible

Ever since the very first auction prices in-game and out have been just crazy. MMOs such as WoW should take note of how much cash foolish people are willing to spend for in-game items that are totally unneeded. With my bounty badge and 2 orbs my Casting AS is 28 points higher. That's almost 6X, total silver investment 1 mil, and 2 mil for the orbs, the time for bounties is just playtime I'd be doing anyways. Hunting with the enhancive off or on is really only slightly different. So for a mere 400 bucks I can get 6X acuity? The extra flare occasionally looks nifty, but hardly has any real advantage, typically the critter is dead with our without the flare. Same with armor padding, even if once in awhile it saves the day, is it really worth so much cash? I don't see any item in the game that I'd pay 100 bucks for except if I were going to resell. Why do people crave overkill?

I live in a condo I paid 18 K for, 6 Undead Bane... The most powerful items in the game can be had with just time invested, why such a thirst for things costing 1000s of real world dollars. when they really aren't needed, or help that much?

[drauz]

Ever since the very first auction prices in-game and out have been just crazy. MMOs such as WoW should take note of how much cash foolish people are willing to spend for in-game items that are totally unneeded. With my bounty badge and 2 orbs my Casting AS is 28 points higher. That's almost 6X, total silver investment 1 mil, and 2 mil for the orbs, the time for bounties is just playtime I'd be doing anyways. Hunting with the enhancive off or on is really only slightly different. So for a mere 400 bucks I can get 6X acuity? The extra flare occasionally looks nifty, but hardly has any real advantage, typically the critter is dead with our without the flare. Same with armor padding, even if once in awhile it saves the day, is it really worth so much cash? I don't see any item in the game that I'd pay 100 bucks for except if I were going to resell. Why do people crave overkill?

I live in a condo I paid 18 K for, 6 Undead Bane... The most powerful items in the game can be had with just time invested, why such a thirst for things costing 1000s of real world dollars. when they really aren't needed, or help that much?

I was talking about 7-8x weapon enchant not the acuity. It is a milestone enchant. It allows you to do something you couldn't before, attack demons (assuming its still blessable). No amount of enhansives will give you that ability, in fact nothing else besides demonbane will (I think).

[Schoolin']

I was piggybacking and just trying to understand what drives people to invest so much real world money into items you can get by without perfectly fine. I'm glad they have Duskruin for people with disposable income, but I just feel like they are disposing of it...

Post-cap the most powerful item in the game by far is the fixskills ability and they give that away once a year or you can buy it cheaply with bounty points.... I'm newly capped now, but my old character I fixskilled into full brawling and dodge, that's a big change in ability for a mage... It just took a lot of time to build up the MTP/PTP in skills you can degrade with minor impact.

[drauz]

I was piggybacking and just trying to understand what drives people to invest so much real world money into items you can get by without perfectly fine. I'm glad they have Duskruin for people with disposable income, but I just feel like they are disposing of it...

Post-cap the most powerful item in the game by far is the fixskills ability and they give that away once a year or you can buy it cheaply with bounty points.... I'm newly capped now, but my old character I fixskilled into full brawling and dodge, that's a big change in ability for a mage... It just took a lot of time to build up the MTP/PTP in skills you can degrade with minor impact.

If everything can be bought with silvers what makes you say that people are investing real world money? Yes some people are obviously spending real world money, but I haven't yet. I could get that 6-7x acuity for 50m silvers, not costing me a dime of real money.

The most powerful item post cap is a fixstat potion, but it is only needed once unless you fuck it up.

[gilchristr]

As long as stuff inflates in price after simu sold it, that means simu enriched the middle man at their experience.

So they see this, and raise the price next time. But I think sometimes they have less of an understanding of the value of the items they create, so it repeats despite their efforts to cut out the middle man.

[Schoolin']

If everything can be bought with silvers what makes you say that people are investing real world money? Yes some people are obviously spending real world money, but I haven't yet. I could get that 6-7x acuity for 50m silvers, not costing me a dime of real money.

The most powerful item post cap is a fixstat potion, but it is only needed once unless you fuck it up.

If you can reach cap with fucked up stats then the amount that fixing them helps you is not that great. With fixskills you get a stronger effect the more you play. Back in the day many mages had str and con too low. Going from brawling and dodge at 0 to both capped all at once had a much more dramatic effect...

Hunting empty handed has a lot of benefits, faster field absorption (I think its like 4 exp a pulse) , easier looting via flag left, flag right, and bypassing the whole Runestaff system, no weapon to get lost. To me as a mage brawling alone would be more powerful than a stat problem.

Training skills from 0-max is a hell of a lot better than getting 1 rank at a time. Build up skills that are actually slightly more useful a few ranks at a time Trading, FA, Survival, MIU, Arcane Symbols etc... then degrade them all at once to whatever level you like. I can't remember what skills I degraded to get 0-101 in brawling and dodge, but whichever they were had little impact on hunting. Second time I maxed out CM training and got .5X MOC.

[drauz]

If you can reach cap with fucked up stats then the amount that fixing them helps you is not that great. With fixskills you get a stronger effect the more you play. Back in the day many mages had str and con too low. Going from brawling and dodge at 0 to both capped all at once had a much more dramatic effect...

Hunting empty handed has a lot of benefits, faster field absorption (I think its like 4 exp a pulse) , easier looting via flag left, flag right, and bypassing the whole Runestaff system, no weapon to get lost. To me as a mage brawling alone would be more powerful than a stat problem.

Training skills from 0-max is a hell of a lot better than getting 1 rank at a time. Build up skills that are actually slightly more useful a few ranks at a time Trading, FA, Survival, MIU, Arcane Symbols etc... then degrade them all at once to whatever level you like. I can't remember what skills I degraded to get 0-101 in brawling and dodge, but whichever they were had little impact on hunting. Second time I maxed out CM training and got .5X MOC.

Its not about "fucked up stats". Lets take a warrior for example. Their fasted growing stats are going to be STR and CON. Their main way to attack takes STR to make it better. To make the earlier levels not stupidly hard most people will place STR higher than what is needed at lvl 0 to have 100 in that stat at lvl 100. This makes leveling so much easier and then once you are 100 you chug a fixstat once and everything but your INF is now 100.

You say to train up skills just to force yourself to untrain them? Like, on purpose? Why not just train the skill you wanted in the first place? Seems like a waste of a fixskills.

[Schoolin']

If everything can be bought with silvers what makes you say that people are investing real world money? Yes some people are obviously spending real world money, but I haven't yet. I could get that 6-7x acuity for 50m silvers, not costing me a dime of real money.

The most powerful item post cap is a fixstat potion, but it is only needed once unless you fuck it up.

I guess I wasn't clear, but someone has to spend cash to buy the Duskruin tokens. Its weird in MMOs like WoW etc... I earn a lot of loot and happily waste it, in GS loot can be converted to cash so I handle my silvers like I do with my real world money, carefully.

My sister once signed up for credit monitoring at 15 a month, that's about 2 days work for her for a years monitoring at 180. When I explained that she was spending 2 days at work just to be able to get her report and score any time she wanted she dropped it.

If you earn 3 grand a month and invest 3 grand acquiring an item in the game via buying silvers or tokens, you worked a solid month in the RL for that item. A few extra points AS/DS or padding that occasionally helps in a meaningful way isn't worth a lot of time to me and having too much help from an item would make the game boring. If every cast or swing kills then WTF, if Padding always saves your from dying WTF.

I guess it all comes down to competition, a pissing contest of sorts, I dunno..... My AS is 499, but I'm thinking some mage has an AS of like 540, but I'm not that competitive with others and am not having trouble hunting so....

[Archigeek]

As long as stuff inflates in price after simu sold it, that means simu enriched the middle man at their experience.

So they see this, and raise the price next time. But I think sometimes they have less of an understanding of the value of the items they create, so it repeats despite their efforts to cut out the middle man.

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how the economics of Gemstone work. Simutronics isn't out to "cut out the middle man". The middle man pays a monthly subscription just like anyone else, and the dollar value of those monthly subscriptions far exceeds what any special event brings in. Cutting out the middle man is not a goal of Simutronics. The price increase from last time, and the time before that, has nothing to do with cutting out the middle man, and everything to do with huge sums of bloodscrip being out there.

Certainly a middle man is the exception with Duskruin top end items, and has always been so. They are so over-priced that people are spending 3x what their entire item would sell for on the open market, just for one service on it. People are not making these purchases because they're looking to an aftermarket. They're making them because they want the service for themselves.

[drauz]

I guess I wasn't clear, but someone has to spend cash to buy the Duskruin tokens. Its weird in MMOs like WoW etc... I earn a lot of loot and happily waste it, in GS loot can be converted to cash so I handle my silvers like I do with my real world money, carefully.

My sister once signed up for credit monitoring at 15 a month, that's about 2 days work for her for a years monitoring at 180. When I explained that she was spending 2 days at work just to be able to get her report and score any time she wanted she dropped it.

If you earn 3 grand a month and invest 3 grand acquiring an item in the game via buying silvers or tokens, you worked a solid month in the RL for that item. A few extra points AS/DS or padding that occasionally helps in a meaningful way isn't worth a lot of time to me and having too much help from an item would make the game boring. If every cast or swing kills then WTF, if Padding always saves your from dying WTF.

I guess it all comes down to competition, a pissing contest of sorts, I dunno..... My AS is 499, but I'm thinking some mage has an AS of like 540, but I'm not that competitive with others and am not having trouble hunting so....

So, I take it you've never used padded armor?

[Whirlin]

I guess I wasn't clear, but someone has to spend cash to buy the Duskruin tokens. Its weird in MMOs like WoW etc... I earn a lot of loot and happily waste it, in GS loot can be converted to cash so I handle my silvers like I do with my real world money, carefully.

My sister once signed up for credit monitoring at 15 a month, that's about 2 days work for her for a years monitoring at 180. When I explained that she was spending 2 days at work just to be able to get her report and score any time she wanted she dropped it.

If you earn 3 grand a month and invest 3 grand acquiring an item in the game via buying silvers or tokens, you worked a solid month in the RL for that item. A few extra points AS/DS or padding that occasionally helps in a meaningful way isn't worth a lot of time to me and having too much help from an item would make the game boring. If every cast or swing kills then WTF, if Padding always saves your from dying WTF.

I guess it all comes down to competition, a pissing contest of sorts, I dunno..... My AS is 499, but I'm thinking some mage has an AS of like 540, but I'm not that competitive with others and am not having trouble hunting so....
That's your own subjective value of currency and the offerings... If the your perceived value does not exceed the price, then simply don't purchase... That doesn't change the price of what the market will bear for the offerings.

And I have over a 499 AS with my bow... As a wizard...

[gilchristr]

Well, archigeek maybe "cut out the middle man" sounds negative, you could put it another way "sell items not below the end value established by the market"

[Alashir]

Ever since the very first auction prices in-game and out have been just crazy. MMOs such as WoW should take note of how much cash foolish people are willing to spend for in-game items that are totally unneeded. With my bounty badge and 2 orbs my Casting AS is 28 points higher. That's almost 6X, total silver investment 1 mil, and 2 mil for the orbs, the time for bounties is just playtime I'd be doing anyways. Hunting with the enhancive off or on is really only slightly different. So for a mere 400 bucks I can get 6X acuity? The extra flare occasionally looks nifty, but hardly has any real advantage, typically the critter is dead with our without the flare. Same with armor padding, even if once in awhile it saves the day, is it really worth so much cash? I don't see any item in the game that I'd pay 100 bucks for except if I were going to resell. Why do people crave overkill?

I live in a condo I paid 18 K for, 6 Undead Bane... The most powerful items in the game can be had with just time invested, why such a thirst for things costing 1000s of real world dollars. when they really aren't needed, or help that much?

Nearly every single fun addition to a weapon negates its ability to be blessed. Undead bane is worth truckloads because it lets people use their favorite weapon when fighting the other half of the critter population. IMO it's an interesting strategy to make hunting so inconvenient that people will pay real $$ to make it more convenient, but there you have it. Same reason why Lirion bows and the like are so valuable as well; their ability to hit undead in addition to not having to wait around to pick up arrows.

[Archigeek]

Well, archigeek maybe "cut out the middle man" sounds negative, you could put it another way "sell items not below the end value established by the market"

It's not whether or not it's negative, it's just a bad goal. In summary: Gemstone has an economy that has functioned pretty well for more than 20 years. Let's not fuck with it; all of those participants are forking over every month. Artificially jacking up prices, 300% or more beyond what the market will bear is fucking with it, and the downside comes when none of those items sell in the market, because no one wants to take a 200m haircut. This = sad players, and sad players = fewer subscriptions, and subscriptions are where the lion's share of the income comes from.

[SashaFierce]

The acuity and mana services will both be priced the same, 25,000 bloodscrip to start. Thanks goes to GM Estild. Just be ready for the next review!

Wyrom, APM

http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Quests%60Sagas%60Events/Duskruin%20Arena/view/3536

[Viekn]

The price increase from last time, and the time before that, has nothing to do with cutting out the middle man, and everything to do with huge sums of bloodscrip being out there.

I think this must be true, because if some people have SO much bloodscrip that they could essentially come in and dominate an auction/increasing price high end item shop, that's going to concentrate too much power in the hands of a few.

But...


Artificially jacking up prices, 300% or more beyond what the market will bear is fucking with it, and the downside comes when none of those items sell in the market, because no one wants to take a 200m haircut. This = sad players, and sad players = fewer subscriptions, and subscriptions are where the lion's share of the income comes from.

This is also true. So what about putting a time limit on how long a bloodscrip is good for until a "cool down" is activated. Someway that you could control how much bloocscrip any one person could use at a given time? That way, you wouldn't have to increase the bloodscrip cost of the high end items quite so much. Just a thought, not sure if that's even possible.

[Haldrik]

The acuity and mana services will both be priced the same, 25,000 bloodscrip to start. Thanks goes to GM Estild. Just be ready for the next review!

Wyrom, APM

http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Quests%60Sagas%60Events/Duskruin%20Arena/view/3536

What does this mean? The review thing?

[Allereli]

What does this mean? The review thing?

nothing

[gilchristr]

Archigeek you make a good point for not setting prices above aftermarket. But I was talking about setting prices equal to aftermarket, which I would think is their goal. (... it just seems to me that when they find out aftermarket ended up being higher than they sold their items for, given a chance to reprice, they will reprice accordingly).

[Ceyrin]

full leather, brig, aug chain, full plate. All +17, HCP, 3-slot

Thanks.

[Ceyrin]

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how the economics of Gemstone work. Simutronics isn't out to "cut out the middle man". The middle man pays a monthly subscription just like anyone else, and the dollar value of those monthly subscriptions far exceeds what any special event brings in. Cutting out the middle man is not a goal of Simutronics. The price increase from last time, and the time before that, has nothing to do with cutting out the middle man, and everything to do with huge sums of bloodscrip being out there.

Certainly a middle man is the exception with Duskruin top end items, and has always been so. They are so over-priced that people are spending 3x what their entire item would sell for on the open market, just for one service on it. People are not making these purchases because they're looking to an aftermarket. They're making them because they want the service for themselves.

It's funny, I was going to say something similar. It's just a fundamental lack of understanding economics, period.

The middle man will never allow themselves to be cut out. Inflation is a thing. If Simu increases their valuation of products and services, it gives the middle men incentive to raise their prices as well.