Stupid

[Methais]

Let me just state my opinion and say that I think these new rules are fucking retarded. Having posts pulled/edited for using the word "gay" is just....GAY!

I mean fuck, when you use the word GAY, you don't even think of people that like to fuck people of the same sex most of the time anymore.

Obviously this is an unofficial site, but:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gay&r=f

If someone says something like "That car is fucking gay." or something, do you honestly picture a male car out banging another male car? No, of course not. But for some reason, it warrants a pull/edit to board mods anyway, which again, is just GAY (as in fucking stupid, retarded, lame, dumb, etc. and not guys/girls banging people of the same sex).

I mean come on, lighten up a bit on this shit. Whatever happened to the PC being a place where you could express what you wanted, the way you wanted? You can't even jokingly tell someone "go die somewhere" or anything anymore, even when it's plainly obvious it's in a joking manner (and even if it's not, someone please explain where the harm is in it. It's a fucking Internet message board for Christ's sake), because some fucking retard (no offense to retards out there, god forbid someone edit out that word too) little momma's bitch boy probably decided he felt threatened in RL and had to see a shrink for several months before he was able to leave his room again.

A year ago, these "new rules" would have been laughed at by probably 99.999% of everyone here, mods included. Today? These boards are one step closer to the gayness (again, as in stupid, dumb, retarded, etc. and not guys/girls banging people of the same sex) of the Simu boards, where you have to look at every word you post to be sure that it's not gonna get pulled or edited over some stupid bullshit. Isn't that the reason why so many people started posting here instead of the Simu boards, so they wouldn't have to worry about that kind of shit?

If some gay guy is really gonna throw a fit over someone saying "Dude that show was fucking gay!", they really need to take a look at themselves and evaluate their own insecurity and/or self confidence. Because we all know that all the prejudiced/racist people in the world are straight white males and are out to get YOU (yes, you) right? Wrong. I'm Italian, and feel free to call me a greasy spaghetti eating wop, because I won't go running around crying over it like some little bitch, because I'm secure enough about myself to not give a shit over being called a name (homosexuals, racist-paranoid and politically correct freaks should take a note and start doing the same).

Just for the record, I'm not posting this just because of the word "Gay", as that was only an example. I'm posting this to express how gay (as in stupid, dumb, retarded, etc. and not guys/girls banging people of the same sex) I think it all is. And before someone says "Why not just say "stupid, dumb, or retarded, etc. instead of gay?", that's not the point, and you know it, so go die somewhere (as in not REALLY die, because it's just an expression in this context which basically means "fuck off".)

I'm guessing that these new rules are a result of a very small number of little cunts whining and crying over "He called me this name and it made me cry!" or "He told me to die OMG!"

Rant finished, feel free to agree or flame away and tell me how GAY my post is (as in stupid, dumb, retarded, etc. and not guys/girls banging people of the same sex) and to go die somewhere (as in not REALLY die, because it's just an expression in this context which basically means "fuck off".)

Have a wonderful day. Or have a shitty day, I don't care, it's your life do what you want.





[Edited on 11-20-2004 by Methais]

[Nieninque]

So you think the rules are homosexual or happy?

That makes sense :?:

[Methais]

Perhaps you should go back to elementary school and work on your reading comprehension skills.

[Sean]

This has already been argued about before.

One way to look at it is, because Kranar said so, and accept that.

Another is to look at it in the light that by using the word gay/fag to imply something is dumb/stupid/retarded/etc. you are just perpetuating the stereotype that being gay is wrong. Your welcome to have the opinion that it is, and post about it, you just need to find a different way to express yourself.

There are quite a few words you aren't allowed to use and all of them have a reason. And I'd be willing to bet they are generally better than Wah I'm sad because XYZ called me a ABC.

[HarmNone]

I couldn't say it any better, Tijay! :up:

[Edited on 11-20-2004 by HarmNone]

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Originally posted by Tijay

There are quite a few words you aren't allowed to use and all of them have a reason. And I'd be willing to bet they are generally better than Wah I'm sad because XYZ called me a ABC.

Tijay is so WHITE.

Take that MODS! I am a rebel without a cause.

[Sean]

Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage

Originally posted by Tijay

There are quite a few words you aren't allowed to use and all of them have a reason. And I'd be willing to bet they are generally better than Wah I'm sad because XYZ called me a ABC.

Tijay is so WHITE.

Take that MODS! I am a rebel without a cause.

You make me cry myself to sleep at night.

[HarmNone]

SHM.......:axe:


:D

[crazymage]

this is the most opposite of straight thread ive ever read!

[Vestarr]

ummm bent ?

[Amberlei]

Originally posted by Methais
...which again, is just GAY (as in fucking stupid, retarded, lame, dumb, etc. and not guys/girls banging people of the same sex).

...feel free to call me a greasy spaghetti eating wop
[Edited on 11-20-2004 by Methais]

Using the word gay to denote something as being stupid, lame, dumb, etc, implies that there's a wrongness to being homosexual, as pointed out by Tijay.

If, for some weird reason, people started using the term "greasy spaghetti eating wop" to mean stupid, lame, etc. in situations where you advocate usage of the word gay (That car is so fucking greasy spaghetti eating wop .) :spin: would you be alright with that or would it offend you for reasons other than that it sounds incredibly greasy spaghetti eating wop?

edited to add I really don't mean any disparagement of Italians here.

[Edited on 11-20-2004 by Amberlei]

[Hulkein]

This is the most british thread I've read in months.

[AnticorRifling]

FYI people need to learn to just let it go. If you're so easily offended by something typed on a message board chances are you're an idiot(I hope that doesn't offend any idiots out there maybe I should say brains lacking)

I've been pissed off one or two times by something said by someone on these boards but it was due to the thought behind it not the word. I've yet to be in up in arms when someone calls something white or cracker or christian or any other word I can associate with. If I call something gay, or something white, and it offends someone that's gay or white or whatever you can bet all your money that I'm on this side of the monitor laughing my ass off at someone being pissed at that.

For the rest of the week I'm going to associate stupid/dumb/retarded to the word beef wellington. If that pisses you off please U2U me.

People do get offended way too much. The sad part is, it is such a small minority that become "language" police and ruin it for most. It sucks.

- Arkans

[HarmNone]

It's very possible that Methais wouldn't be bothered one bit by insults to his heritage, his gender, or his sexual preference. Hell, people can call me whatever the hell they want. It will have no bearing on my self-esteem. So, I can believe him quite readily.

However, Methais is not the only person who reads and posts on these boards, nor am I. We have a very varied posting base, with people from all over the world, of many different ethnic backgrounds, having differences with regard to sexual preference, religious beliefs (or lack of same)...all kinds of differences. We, as a whole, should have some respect for each other, and some modicum of control over what we say here. A little bit of deference to the feelings of another person has never hurt anybody.

While this is a pretty darned open board, in my opinion, there are some rules by which posters are asked to abide. I've never known anybody as fair as Kranar. Yet, even the few rules he has established to help these boards grow and prosper seem to cause no end of grief for some people. Personally, I fail to see the difficulty in following those rules, but to each his/her own. :shrug:

[Brattt8525]

We all know why the rules were put in place, do we have to like it? heck no. Sadly the state of the boards was getting kind of mean spirited. It is one thing to be able to post things that umm we can't post on the offical boards, it is a a whole different issue when the freedom to say things gets abused.

I have let myself say somethings that were wrong, due to the moment or I had a bad day whatever. If we cannot control ourselves for the benifit of everyone, unfortunetly the task gets put on the shoulders of Kranar and crew.

There are still ways to openly insult those you wish too, without fear of a post being pulled. Look at Aniticor, he is already looking into creative ways to do it! Love his creativeness.

Or take it to U2U's if you really need to let something out I guess. Who knows I am not the best at giving advice but I am trying to look at it in the best light possible.

And I am trying my best to not look beef wellington in posting this!

:spaz:

[AnticorRifling]

So to keep the potential offended from reading those "offending" words I am forced to be censored?

I know why it's in place because the 10% always ruins it for the majority but I still don't think any argument presented has proven to me that censoring me is the the answer.

* Edit is am it's all the same

[Edited on 11-20-2004 by AnticorRifling]

The thing is, people have a choice whether they want to read a post or not. Threads generally become more and more offensive a thread continues, it's not suddenly. If you are so offended by the direction of a thread, you can always stop reading.

- Arkans

[AnticorRifling]

Arkans just agree with me it's so much easier.

[Sean]

Originally posted by AnticorRifling
So to keep the potential offended from reading those "offending" words I am forced to be censored?

I know why it's in place because the 10% always ruins it for the majority but I still don't think any argument presented has proven to me that censoring me is the the answer.

* Edit is am it's all the same

[Edited on 11-20-2004 by AnticorRifling]

Then I suppose those 10% are lucky it doesn't have to be proven to you.

[HarmNone]

I've not seen the need to censor you, Anticor. You seem to manage to get said whatever you want to say while remaining within the rules that govern the forums. It ain't rocket science, eh?

[Mistomeer]

The boards should be hosted in Singapore in light of the new rules.

Feh

I agree

- Arkans

[DeV]

I've never had an issue with seeing the word used in whatever way people choose, but if Kranar has decided to censor it, I don' see the problem. Choose a different way to express yourself and move on.

[Edited on 11-20-2004 by DarkelfVold]

[Tsa`ah]

These are not new rules. They have been in place for some time now.

Tijay already pointed out the reasoning just as anyone receiving a notice of edit will have read the same thing.

This isn't about offensive language. This is about social stigma. There isn't anything to ruin, just don't use the terminology.

[Keller]

The word gay, when used to mean "lame," is very offensive to me. I find it to be an improper substitution that reinforces an already held stereotype.
You could replace lame with beef wellington and it would not be the same principle. A beef wellington has not already been highly discriminated against and you're not going to reinforce that societal opinion by consistently using the term "beef wellington" instead of lame.
I encourage anyone who reads this to question all their friends when they use the word gay in the wrong situations. Ask them if they mean lame? I've stopped all of my friends from misusing the term by simply pointing out something that very few of them ever thought about. Give it a try.

[Methais]

<<Then I suppose those 10% are lucky it doesn't have to be proven to you. >>

Those 10% are still beef wellington. The kind that likes other beef wellingtons.

<<The word gay, when used to mean "lame," is very offensive to me. I find it to be an improper substitution that reinforces an already held stereotype.>>

I find the word "gay" as representing homosexuals very offensive to the original meaning of the word which is "happy". I find it insulting that happy people can't say they're "gay" without people thinking they're a homosexual. Thanks a lot for corrupting a perfectly good word!

So there :P

Now I'm going to the store to buy myself a pack of Marlboro fags.




[Edited on 11-20-2004 by Methais]

Actually, I always use the term "gay" when describing something "lame". I also use the word "fag" in my vocabulary as well. Telling people how to talk in public is perhaps the dumbest thing anyone could do. If someone finds something I say offensive, please don't listen. I'm not going to be held hostage to some minority.

As for it being a "no-no" on the boards, yeah, it is Kranar's call, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

- Arkans

[Nieninque]

Using language that other people find offensive just because you always have, or it's what you do is just pathetic.

Using language which paints people from a particular group in negative ways, isnt even that good.

I love how it is predominantly white heterosexual men arguing their right to call people fags :jerkit:

No, using the language that I want is called freedom of speech. I do it because I can, because I want, because it's my business what words I use. I don't need some overly sensitive hippy telling me what I can or cannot say.

- Arkans

[Nieninque]

There is no such thing as freedom of speech

ROFL, see any black helecopters lately? Give me a fucking a break. If you had it your way, there would be none. Why? your kind are notorious for frowning the second someone says "fag", but turn a blind eye when "cracka" or "honkey" is used. Leave the way I and others talk alone, because frankly, people are getting fucking sick of the overly sensitive types dicating what words can and cannot be used.

- Arkans

[Methais]

<<I love how it is predominantly white heterosexual men arguing their right to call people fags>>

I'm sorry, I had to change my pants because I just shit myself laughing at the ignorance of that statement.

It's not like I didn't predict that someone would say that or anything though. . .

From original post:
<<Because we all know that all the prejudiced/racist people in the world are straight white males and are out to get YOU (yes, you) right? Wrong.>>

That being said, I know lots of non-white, non-male people that use the word "fag" too.

I'm going to assume that you're a black lesbian feminist, since you assume that only straight white males use the word fag.

As for someone's "right to call people fags" -- are you saying we don't have that right? You can disagree with the choice of words people use, but to insinuate that they don't have the RIGHT to speak certain words is extremely beef wellington (the kind that likes other beef wellingtons).

<<There is no such thing as freedom of speech >>

Um...this is America. I don't know where you're from, but here there is such a thing as freedom of speech. To argue that there isn't is just flat out stupid and ignorant (yes, both).

[Edited on 11-20-2004 by Methais]

[HarmNone]

We each have the "right" to say whatever we please. However, under the rules governing Kranar's boards, we cannot exercise that "right" in all instances.

While freedom of speech is a noble thought, try yelling "Fire!" in a restaurant full of people, when there is no fire. See how quickly you get hauled off to jail. You have the "right" to bear arms, but I wouldn't advise carrying one onto an airplane.

Let's face it. There are rules no matter where you go. You don't have to like them. You don't have to agree with them. However, your choice is to go along with them, or don't put yourself into the position of having to do so.

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Methais
<<I love how it is predominantly white heterosexual men arguing their right to call people fags>>

I'm sorry, I had to change my pants because I just shit myself laughing at the ignorance of that statement.

It's not like I didn't predict that someone would say that or anything though. . .

From original post:
<<Because we all know that all the prejudiced/racist people in the world are straight white males and are out to get YOU (yes, you) right? Wrong.>>



I made the key word there bold, for you to go back and re-read.

Then read back through the threads trudging through the same sad sorry arguments...the majority of the people arguing for their right to slag off gay people are white heterosexual men. MAJORITY.




That being said, I know lots of non-white, non-male people that use the word "fag" too.



And they would be equally as wrong, if they are using it as a term of abuse.


I'm going to assume that you're a black lesbian feminist, since you assume that only straight white males use the word fag.


You are having difficulty reading what I am saying.
I am saying that thus far, the majority arguing this sad sorry argument have been white male heterosexuals.
not just on the boards, but every time I have encountered this argument.

I have never been raped, but I would argue that that is bad. I have never had my head cut off but I would assert quite strongly that that is bad for you too.



As for someone's "right to call people fags" -- are you saying we don't have that right? You can disagree with the choice of words people use, but to insinuate that they don't have the RIGHT to speak certain words is extremely beef wellington (the kind that likes other beef wellingtons).

<<There is no such thing as freedom of speech >>

Um...this is America. I don't know where you're from, but here there is such a thing as freedom of speech. To argue that there isn't is just flat out stupid and ignorant (yes, both).

[Edited on 11-20-2004 by Methais]

I am saying that with rights comes responsibility. That in claiming your right to say what you want, you have a responsibility to recognise that what you say has consequences and to act accordingly as a citizen of the "free lands" you are a part.

And as for America having free speech, you are deluded if you think that is the case.

[Edited on 21-11-04 by Nieninque]

[DeV]

Originally posted by Methais
I'm going to assume that you're a black lesbian feminist, since you assume that only straight white males use the word fag.
She isn't but I am and it's a known fact that straight white males are not the only ones to use these terms. In this thread, they seem to be the only ones having a problem with not using it.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

All you bashing straight white males are sexist and racist.

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
All you bashing straight white males are sexist and racist.

And heterosexist...dont forget that bit

edited to say that should probably be heterophobic

[Edited on 21-11-04 by Nieninque]

[Keller]

Originally posted by Arkans
No, using the language that I want is called freedom of speech. I do it because I can, because I want, because it's my business what words I use. I don't need some overly sensitive hippy telling me what I can or cannot say.

- Arkans

Ignorant.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by HarmNone
We each have the "right" to say whatever we please. However, under the rules governing Kranar's boards, we cannot exercise that "right" in all instances.

While freedom of speech is a noble thought, try yelling "Fire!" in a restaurant full of people, when there is no fire. See how quickly you get hauled off to jail. You have the "right" to bear arms, but I wouldn't advise carrying one onto an airplane.

Let's face it. There are rules no matter where you go. You don't have to like them. You don't have to agree with them. However, your choice is to go along with them, or don't put yourself into the position of having to do so.

You can still yell Fire, you just have to face the consequences for the false alarm. Just llike you can commit fraud, perjury, or any other number of crimes with your words, but you have to pay the consequences for those actions. Obviously, you'll be in trouble for the crime you committed, not for saying a banned word, which is pretty much the meaning of Freedom of Speech.

[Chelle]

I think the problem is people are misspelling the word ghay.

gay= homosexual, or happy.

ghay or ghey= lame


I think spelling it ghey would clear up any misunderstandings.

When I hear someone say, "omg that's so ghey". I don't think of homosexuals. I think of lameness. Which is what it is implied.

[4a6c1]

The fact that anyone would complain about not being able to say/post this word is umm...weird. Please help me out and clarify that its not such a huge and important part of your vocabulary afterall.

Nevermind, I think I will just, umm...keep laughing. :lol:

[Chelle]

I don't think its that certain word only in question. People just hate being censored for any reason. Me, I personally don't care. I am a kinda go with the flow kinda girl. If suddenly something isn't allowed then I don't do it. No biggie to me.

[DeV]

People should learn to censor themselves sometimes.

[4a6c1]

Originally posted by Chelle
I don't think its that certain word only in question. People just hate being censored for any reason. Me, I personally don't care. I am a kinda go with the flow kinda girl. If suddenly something isn't allowed then I don't do it. No biggie to me.

Ditto. It makes me giggle when people are all like I R SUPRESSED!! on the forums.

But then again, Im not aloud to post dirty pics on the forum. I R SUPRESSED!!

[Sean]

Originally posted by Arkans
No, using the language that I want is called freedom of speech. I do it because I can, because I want, because it's my business what words I use. I don't need some overly sensitive hippy telling me what I can or cannot say.

- Arkans

Kranar has been very clear that you don't have Freedom of Speech at the PC. But that aside you can say the words you know are banned all you want. You do however as Mistomeer pointed out have to pay the consequences for breaking the rules. But you are right, you don't have to like it.

I agree Tijay. These are Kranar's boards and he sets the rules. I have to abide by these and I have no problem with that. If I did, I'd go find another message board to post on. However, I do have a right to post my opinion if I agree with the rules or not.

Now, as to yelling fire, this could cause panic, lost business, and personal injury. I do not think this can compare at all with me using the word "fag" at all.

Also, Keller, please tell me how I am ignorant with the way I use the word. Please post the definition of the word and then how it applies to me as far as using the word "fag" is concerned. Until you do this, I will simply assume that you had no real comeback and were just insulting me out of desperation.

- Arkans

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Mistomeer


You can still yell Fire, you just have to face the consequences for the false alarm. Just llike you can commit fraud, perjury, or any other number of crimes with your words, but you have to pay the consequences for those actions. Obviously, you'll be in trouble for the crime you committed, not for saying a banned word, which is pretty much the meaning of Freedom of Speech.

Saying something and having to pay consequences for saying what you did, does not equal freedom of speech.

By your definition, Post war Russians were free to say "Stalin is a wanker." Of course, they would have to face the consequences of doing so, but they were free to say it.

:rolleyes:

I stand by my original statement.
There is no such thing as free speech.

[Keller]

You are ignorant because you don't see the societal issues that are of deeper urgency than your "right" to misuse a term thus giving it an inappropriate connotation.

Deeper urgency? You've got to be kidding me. Hell, amuse me and expound on this.

- Arkans

[Keller]

Yes. You replacing the word gay with the word lame is of no societal importance whereas the application of the term gay to mean lame is of deep societal importance.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Keller
Yes. You replacing the word gay with the word lame is of no societal importance whereas the application of the term gay to mean lame is of deep societal importance.


Gay doesn't have all that much importance, the term isn't a slur, it's a word with multiple definitions, including homosexual, happy, and is even a name. Same with fag, bitch, and a few others. The words have multiple definitions, and context determines meaning. If it's not being used in a context of a personal attack, why is it offensive?

I think you are putting way too much importance into how the word "gay" is used.

- Arkans

[Keller]

The point is that in this country we are passing laws restricting the rights of a group of people whose name you're using to imply lame/bad. I am not saying it's a causal relationship, I am saying it's an easy rhetorical change that you can make to avoid continuing to aid this perception.

[Edited on 11-21-2004 by Keller]

Eh, I don't see as using a word as something that is hurting any type of group. I think anyone with two brain cells to rub together can make that connection.

- Arkans

[Kainen]

If I am not mistaken.. these boards AREN'T America and I didn't see anything assuring us the right of free speach. To bitch about not being able to say a word always boggles my mind. The usage of the word isn't cool.. no matter what certain people (that seem to be nearly revered.. which is amusing to me) say about it. It doesnt hurt NOT to say a word.. it's not like it's an IMPORTANT word. Besides.. getting back to my first point.. these boards are more like a small country where rules are made up by a few people.. bottom line is.. I feel that instead of whining about one word.. we should be happy that we have such a place to express what we think. Before anyone says "there's other boards" sure there is.. but it's not Player's Corner.

[Methais]

<<the majority of the people arguing for their right to slag off gay people are white heterosexual men.>>

Can you prove this? Probably not. If you can, feel free to do so. Otherwise.....well you know what to do.

[Back]

Oh STFU already.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Chelle
I think the problem is people are misspelling the word ghay.

gay= homosexual, or happy.

ghay or ghey= lame


I think spelling it ghey would clear up any misunderstandings.

When I hear someone say, "omg that's so ghey". I don't think of homosexuals. I think of lameness. Which is what it is implied.

Actually the misspellings are a means to circumvent word filters and searches.

While those spellings may translate to "lame" for you, do not suggest that the misspellings was intended for that usage. That's trying to play on gullibility. If someone wanted to use a unique way of expressing "lame", a thesaurus will work rather nicely.

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Methais
<<the majority of the people arguing for their right to slag off gay people are white heterosexual men.>>

Can you prove this? Probably not. If you can, feel free to do so. Otherwise.....well you know what to do.

Yes I can

[imported_Kranar]

There is so little chance that I would ever consider changing this rule that, while you're free to continue discussing it, it's unlikely I would give the complaint much credibility.

Racist/ethnic religious and homophobic slurs are simply not permitted on the forums, they are specifically ruled out and are the only forms of slander that constitute objectionable content. That means, if you want to use a synonym for lame, you must pick one that is not racist or homophobic.

This is not a new rule, it has always been strictly enforced. The only new rules added were:

Hostile Posts:
http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=10550

Profile Settings Abuse:
http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=10556

[imported_Kranar]

<< I'm guessing that these new rules are a result of a very small number of little cunts whining and crying over "He called me this name and it made me cry!" or "He told me to die OMG!" >>

Nope, all of what has been implemented on November 1st was done as a way to keep track of violations in a systematic way. There were 2 new rules, which I point out in my previous post. The rule on hostile posting was added as a sort of "high maintenance user" rule, and the one on profile settings was done to prevent a member from getting around the Hostile Post rule by using their profile to acheive the same ends.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Kranar

Racist/ethnic religious and homophobic slurs are simply not permitted on the forums...

Since when is the word gay a homophobic slur? I'm sure quite a few gay people out there would disagree with that, given that by definition a slur is insulting.

[imported_Kranar]

The word gay is not a homophobic slur.

Calling something gay because it is lame, is a homophobic slur.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Kranar
The word gay is not a homophobic slur.

Calling something gay because it is lame, is a homophobic slur.

So obviously it's based on context, so why is callling a change in the game gay against the rules since it's not a slur, given the context that obviously, a game rule can't be homosexual and that the word has multiple meanings, including homosexual, happy, lame, a name, and in certian contexts, a slur?

The fact of the matter is that context determines meaning and that, llike it or not, in today's soceity, one definition of the word gay is along the lines of lame, and if you're not using the term to attack someone personally, then where's the problem on the PC?

[imported_Kranar]

<< So obviously it's based on context, so why is callling a change in the game gay against the rules since it's not a slur, >>

Because the context of the word gay is that it is bad, or lame, or stupid. This context is not allowed on the forums as it implies homosexuality is bad, or lame, or stupid.

<< The fact of the matter is that context determines meaning and that, llike it or not, in today's soceity, one definition of the word gay is along the lines of lame, and if you're not using the term to attack someone personally, then where's the problem on the PC? >>

It is a very unfortunate statement about society that it considers the term gay to be something condescending. That does not mean, however, that it is acceptable.

If tomorrow, it was all of a sudden "cool" to use racist terms to describe something as lame, or if it all of a sudden became the trend to use religious terms to label something as stupid, it would still be against our rules.

[Mistomeer]

I just think it's absurd that you can personally attack people on these boards for almost any reason, using almost any language you want to, but you can't say that a game change is gay without getting the post edited.

I just think it sets a bad precedent to start banning words, regardless of the context. Obviously, the posts are moderated subjectively, so why not let the mods use that same judgement with terms like gay?

Also, if slurs were crimes, the term gay would be like a slur in the 10th degree. There are some people that may be offended by it, but I know plenty of homosexual folks that would thank you for noticing if you called them gay.

[imported_Kranar]

The general complaint is certainly one I can respect. For example, I'm not a fan of prohibiting so strictly the death threat issue. I also do intend on phasing out that rule because telling someone to go kill themselves is hardly done so to give genuine advice and so does not count as a serious threat.

However, when it comes to objectionable content, I think it's only fair to rule it out entirely. As you said, you can insult people on the forums using almost any language you want... so use language that isn't explicitely listed as being objectionable.

[Methais]

<<Oh STFU already.>>

No.

<<Yes I can>>

Though I'm sure you have no intentions of doing so.

<<There is so little chance that I would ever consider changing this rule that>>

I wasn't expecting it to be changed. I'm just stating my opinion of it.

<<I think the problem is people are misspelling the word ghay.

gay= homosexual, or happy.

ghay or ghey= lame


I think spelling it ghey would clear up any misunderstandings.>>

Now there's something I never really noticed before, but it seems you're right. Since ghey isn't an actual word in an official dictionary....

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ghey&r=f

I'll buy that. (i.e. Warclaidhm isn't gay, but he sure is ghey).

<<I just think it's absurd that you can personally attack people on these boards for almost any reason, using almost any language you want to, but you can't say that a game change is gay without getting the post edited.>>

:yeahthat:

<<For example, I'm not a fan of prohibiting so strictly the death threat issue. I also do intend on phasing out that rule because telling someone to go kill themselves is hardly done so to give genuine advice and so does not count as a serious threat.>>

Good news.

And since when I use the term "fag" I rarely even think of the homosexuals, from now everytime I call someone a fag, I'm not referring to the homosexual term, I'm really calling them a cigarette (as in England, a cigarette is referred to as a fag), because cigarettes are bad mmk?

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=fag



[Edited on 11-21-2084 by Methais]

[Edited on 11-21-2004 by Methais]

[Chelle]

Discussing it is alright. But arguing and getting worked up about it is akin to this: :banghead:

It is, what it is.. just gotta roll with it.

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Methais
<<Oh STFU already.>>

No.

<<Yes I can>>

Though I'm sure you have no intentions of doing so.

You could do it too.
Read back through this thread, see who are the ones arguing the same argument as you.
QED.

[RiverRat]

I've always been a fan of simply letting people represent themselves by th words they use and how they use them. If someone wants to use 'gay' in terms of something being 'lame', let them, but also let them reap the rewards or penalties that might then come associated with such usage.

That said, if the boards ain't yours, then there isn't much to argue over.

[Methais]

<<You could do it too.
Read back through this thread, see who are the ones arguing the same argument as you. >>

Actually, let me clarify something, since I didn't notice the "gay people" part here:

<<<<the majority of the people arguing for their right to slag off gay people are white heterosexual men.>>

I couldn't give two shits about actual gay people and usually don't even think of them when I (and most others) use the word gay to describe something stupid, lame, etc., which is the point I was trying to make to begin with.

But whatever I don't really care. This whole thing is just GHEY.


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ghey&r=f&skip=10

15. ghey

A word that PC gaywads get there knickers in a bunch over. Are mute people offended by the word "dumb?" Are cripples offended by the word "lame?"

Traffic lights are ghey.

[Edited on 11-21-2004 by Methais]

The posters on the boards are definatly not a representation of people that use the word fag in any area what so ever.

- Arkans

[Methais]

Gay.

Beef Wellington.

http://mikes-table.themulligans.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/beef_wellington-6.jpg

[AnticorRifling]

Methais is the tip of the spear, slightly off target.

[Celephais]

I saw a public service announcement the other day trying to get people to stop calling things gay that weren't homosexual. It was pretty gay.

[Jace Solo]

Definitely goes back to wanting a cause to champion. Some people just arent cut out for worthy, world improving causes...so they change the world by increasing the "facepalm" of society.

[Methais]

I saw a public service announcement the other day trying to get people to stop calling things gay that weren't homosexual. It was pretty gay.

What a bunch of fags. With high tar.

[Willington]

How does the minority always seems to effect the majority in a democratic society

[Latrinsorm]

How does the minority always seems to effect the majority in a democratic societyBecause the majority always seems to tend towards the mob.

[Methais]

Because the majority always seems to tend towards the mob.

http://rlv.zcache.com/the_internet_says_youre_doing_it_wrong_magnet-p147863803186249337q6ju_400.jpg