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Itachi
04-16-2016, 12:54 AM
Greetings,

I recently came back to the lands after a 6 year hiatus and was happy to discover the new UAC system, especially when implemented from the rogue perspective with shielded brawler.

Within the PvE paradigm it is incredibly viable, however I have recently discovered that against players I am not receiving the same UAD push down as I do when I "punch head" from stealth against critters. Does a different verbiage exist when executing an ambushed punch against players then with critters? If I actually AMBUSH a player, I do receive the DS push down, however it is just with a closed fist, which is outside of the UAC combat system itself.

Someone had mentioned that if the opposing players perception is high enough, there is a hidden roll that makes you come out of hiding and THEN punch, thus not receiving any benefit from the ambush, but I tested this with a few different people of equal and lower level and varying trains of perception and found the results to be the same across the board; Never getting the ambush benefit and always hitting into maximum defense.

Does anyone know if this is how it is intended to work or if there is just different commands I should be using? Any info would be great!

Tgo01
04-16-2016, 01:00 AM
I don't think there are any special commands to use when ambushing players. If there is indeed no UAD pushdown against other players I would imagine it's a bug. You can try telling the GMs about it but depending on the amount of time required to fix it (if it is indeed a bug) they may not even bother fixing it. GMs don't particularly care too much about PvP balance.

Itachi
04-25-2016, 06:44 AM
I wouldn't call it resolution, but if anyone else is interested I got some responses on the main forums.

http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Hunting%20and%20Combat/Unarmed%20Combat/thread/1780759?get_newest=true

Warriorbird
04-25-2016, 07:11 AM
They approach discussing these systems in such a silly matter. It's 2016 y'all.

Archigeek
04-25-2016, 08:25 AM
The failures of UAC can be easily seen simply by the fact that it works better for ambushing from hiding than it does for a monk. The answer to this will be, and already has been to a degree, to add some bells and whistles to monks, instead of fixing the underlying failure of the way UAC works.

Taernath
04-25-2016, 11:19 AM
They approach discussing these systems in such a silly matter. It's 2016 y'all.

Don't you like having a sense of mystery and randomness when you look at a formula? Black boxes are the way of the future.

Gelston
04-25-2016, 11:50 AM
Everytime I see pvp mentioned for GS I lol all day.