Arnold for pres!

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Ads Back Schwarzenegger for President (http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?&idq=/ff/story/0001/20041114/0720655230.htm)

Looks like its going to happen. And Maria would make a top First Lady.

[Brackish Mage]

This reminds me of the time when that one guy, a rich pompous swiss boarding school lad, what was his name, ran for president and lost.

[The Cat In The Hat]

I thought since he wasn't born in America he was ineligable to run?

[Wezas]

Looks like Demolition Man is coming true.


"That is the Arnold Schwarzenegger Presidential Library. After his popularity as Governor of California, the Constitution was amended to allow foreign born people to be elected President."

[Brackish Mage]

He's one of the leading supporters of getting that changed. <bad idea>

[Wezas]

Originally posted by The Cat In The Hat
I thought since he wasn't born in America he was ineligable to run?

Read the article. The ads are to push for an amendment to the constitution that would allow him to run.


The cable television ads, set to being running Monday, are from a Silicon Valley-based group that wants to amend the U.S. Constitution, which limits the presidency to people born in the United States. Schwarzenegger was born in Austria but became a U.S. citizen in 1983.

[The Cat In The Hat]

Ok, next time, I'll read before posting...

I don't think he would do too bad as president, we've certainly had worse. But nobody that isn't American Born should ever be president, and I doubt it would happen.

[Edited on 11-15-2004 by The Cat In The Hat]

[Meos]

Jesse the body vs Arnold?

[Brackish Mage]

Arnold would win b/c he doesn't get sex from his wife.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Brackish Mage
Arnold would win b/c he doesn't get sex from his wife.

Republican President w/ Democratic First Lady = Trouble.

[Sean]

Originally posted by The Cat In The Hat
But nobody that isn't American Born should ever be president, and I doubt it would happen.

Why?

[Brackish Mage]

F = B

[Wezas]

I figure - as long as the candidate isn't a carpetbagger (Arnold has lived here since '83) what's the problem?

And obviously he has enough political experience to be in the office (1 term as Govenor - just like our current president). If it's the will of the people - then let it be.

As for his "Celebrity" status - how do you think Reagan was nominated/elected?

[Kainen]

I got 2 words for changing the constitution for that reason.. HELL NO.. and if it looks like it's going to be mroe than just an idea? then I will fight it all the way. There is NOTHING WRONG with the requirement that the Pres have been born here.

[Edited on 11-15-2004 by Kainen]

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Kainen
I got 2 words for changing the constitution for that reason.. HELL NO.. and if it looks like it's going to be mroe than just an idea? then I will fight it all the way. There is NOTHING WRONG with the requirement that the Pres have been born here.


America has always been about compromise and acceptance.

If you want to look at the laws that sat next to that "You need to be born here" clause, lets:

Everyone is created equal - except Blacks and Women. Blacks will have no rights and Women won't have the right to vote or own property.

Presidents would have no term limits

Noone younger then 21 would be able to vote - but they could be drafted to go to war.

[Brackish Mage]

I think we should have a president from Scotland. NIN!!

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Brackish Mage
I think we should have a president from Scotland. NIN!!

Can someone please ban Lycain again? And instead of just banning his IP - just ban anyone from that service provider.

[Brackish Mage]

Who is Lycain?!1

[Parkbandit]

He can't be Lycain.. Brackish Mage is from SC, not FL.

No way in hell can it be him.

Oh and by the way Lycain.. whenever someone accuses you of being.. you, don't let the first post = "Who's Lycain" It's another give away.

[Edited on 11-15-2004 by Parkbandit]

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Wezas

Originally posted by Brackish Mage
I think we should have a president from Scotland. NIN!!

Can someone please ban Lycain again? And instead of just banning his IP - just ban anyone from that service provider.

Did his last user name get banned? What was it?

[Sean]

How about we don't let him derail an actually interesting topic ... just wait for an off topic mod to remove his derailing comments and ignore him in the mean time.

Personally, I don't have a problem with a non us born president. Just because you were born somewhere else doesn't mean you weren't raised here or love this country. I view it more as a deterent to progress moreso than anything else to restrict the presidency to just people born here.

[Ratboy]

Originally posted by The Cat In The Hat
I don't think he would do too bad as president, we've certainly had worse. But nobody that isn't American Born should ever be president, and I doubt it would happen.

Was George Washington born in the US?

[Miss X]

Ok, that's enough off topic crap, any more will be deleted.

Thanks

[The Cat In The Hat]

Originally posted by Tijay

Originally posted by The Cat In The Hat
But nobody that isn't American Born should ever be president, and I doubt it would happen.

Why?


Gives terrorists a way in?

[The Cat In The Hat]

Originally posted by Brackish Mage
Arnold would win b/c he doesn't get sex from his wife.

Who would want to fuck Skeletor?!

On topic -

Does having immigrant parents, but being born in the US = US citizen?

[Wezas]

Originally posted by The Cat In The Hat
Does having immigrant parents, but being born in the US = US citizen?

If you are born in the US (even if your parents are foreign), you are automatically a US citizen and able to run for President.

If you move here from another country - you can gain citizenship - but currently cannot run for President.

[The Cat In The Hat]

Originally posted by Wezas

Originally posted by The Cat In The Hat
Does having immigrant parents, but being born in the US = US citizen?

If you are born in the US (even if your parents are foreign), you are automatically a US citizen and able to run for President.

If you move here from another country - you can gain citizenship - but currently cannot run for President.

I know that was a dumb question, but I wasn't positive.

People born outside the US, that have proved themselves, like Arnold has, should be eligable. He's a citizen, has a good record. I dont think though, that someone from france can decide to come for a visit, and run just because he feels like it.

[Brackish Mage]

We should give the power to the UN and stop this hemogony bullshit.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by The Cat In The Hat
People born outside the US, that have proved themselves, like Arnold has, should be eligable. He's a citizen, has a good record. I dont think though, that someone from france can decide to come for a visit, and run just because he feels like it.

I definately agree. I think the legislation right now has a year minimum, I believe it's 20 years as a citizen.

Eh, I like Arnold, I really do. I would have voted for him 20 times if I had the ability, but the problem is, is that we have a law that is in place for a good reason.

Arnold may not fall into this group of people, but once you create precident then just about anyone can make a case for being foreign born and running. Next think you know we have a President that ties that are way too close too other countries. Maybe even have policies that could harm America in the long run to help other countries or just have skewed policies. Thanks, but no thanks. When voting for a President, I want the choice to be simple.. MADE IN AMERICA.

- Arkans

[Brackish Mage]

Well spoken Arkans.

[The Cat In The Hat]

Agreed, and thats the issue I have with it as well. there's no way to go on a case by case basis. Just because Arnold may be president material, doesnt mean that the laws should be changed just for him.

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by Backlash
Ads Back Schwarzenegger for President (http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?&idq=/ff/story/0001/20041114/0720655230.htm)

Looks like its going to happen. And Maria would make a top First Lady.

Before the change to allow people not born in the US to run for president the rule stating the vice president and president have to be from different states would be changed so Hil N Bill could return home.

Lets say the rule was changed would Arnie be a democrat or Republican? As a Republican he could not even carry his home state so he might change.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Brackish Mage
We should give the power to the UN and stop this hemogony bullshit. If you mean hegemony, there's no way the UN could replace the United States' influence in a number of areas; military and economic just to name two.
Originally posted by Arkans
Next think you know we have a President that ties that are way too close too other countries.Global community is inevitable. Unless global destruction happens first. Either way, this is a step in the right direction.

I think he'd be a Republican simply because of the ties he made with his election. Having a wife that's pretty much with the Kennedy's already insures that he has some of the Democratic votes as well.

- Arkans

[Chelle]

I think they should pass it and allow him to run. They could say the person has to have been a citizen for like 10 years, and have some experience, like being a governor. I hope Arnold gets to run. I would vote for him.

Arnold vs. Hilary in 2008 It would definately be a historical event. A woman and a foreigner running for U.S. Presidency. He would win by a landslide. Ah but I am getting ahead of myself. We'll see.

Chelle, think of the future ramifications of this. A President that is born in Israel is elected and next think you know, we have boots on the ground in the new settlments. Soldiers dying everday.

A President that is born in China and comes here. Next think you know, he's advocating for actions against Taiwan and passes economic boosts to the Chinese economy.

A President from any of the countries from the EU. Now, policies are passed that strongly favor the EU and their economic practices and our foreign policy shadows their.

Even worse, a President born in say a country such as Iran. Now, we have an extreme Islamic based President with those ideals. No thanks. Not everyone is as great as Arnold is. In fact, he is in the extreme minority.

- Arkans

[Betheny]

I would vote for Arnold, because even though he is a republican, he seems moderate. And he's married to a Kennedy :)

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by theotherjohn
Lets say the rule was changed would Arnie be a democrat or Republican? As a Republican he could not even carry his home state so he might change.

Arnold could carry California. They voted like 45% for Bush... Arnold could easilly gain 6%. Hell, Arnold is very popular there. I think even a moderate Republican from another state could carry California depending on who he is running against.

[Parkbandit]

Whoever the candidate is, we still have to elect them. Whether they were born here or not is meaningless.

It was important back in the 'day' when it was made part of our constitution.. but this day in age it holds little value or meaning.

Let's give Arnold a chance!

We never know for certain what policies a canidate will have until they actually get into office. Still too much of a gamble for me. Honestly, I want Arnold for Pres. I'd really vote for him, but I'm just worried about the others.

- Arkans

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by theotherjohn

Lets say the rule was changed would Arnie be a democrat or Republican? As a Republican he could not even carry his home state so he might change.

He's currently has a very healthy approval rating.. which could easily translate into carrying his home state. He is very moderate and that attracts many crossover votes.

I think his backround though will harm his chances. It was only scratched as he went for the Governor's house.. it will be all out there if he runs for President.

[Betheny]

They didn't have *time* when he ran for governor.

I think his image would be able to fend it off.

- Arkans

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The world is getting smaller every day, America cannot survive by building walls and pretending the rest of the world doesn't exist. I think it's a great idea. Wouldn't you rather have a GREAT leader in the US, even if they were born somewhere else, than a poor one?

The thing is Arkans, they still have to be elected. I wouldn't mind a 20 year citizenship rule.

A plethora of laws would need to be passed, not just the 20 year rule. What if a canidate had the backing of another country? Imagine the election funding for instance. Even if the laws are passed there would still be plenty of loopholes for foreign funding to infiltrate our politics. It's great in theory, but definatly not in reality.

- Arkans

[Sean]

How do you stop any of those things from happening in the current election setup? I don't really think those are issues that are unique to electing a president that was born in another country.

Because then other countries will have an even greater interest in trying to manipulate our elections. Just imagine the Chinese or some other "enemy" nation sending someone across our borders, have the do great things for 20 years, and then fund the heck out of his campaign secretly? Sure, it sounds like black helicopter crap now, but you find it completely out of the realm of possibility with such a change in our election process?

- Arkans

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

It has to be said.

ITS A CONSPIRACY.

[Sean]

Originally posted by Arkans
Because then other countries will have an even greater interest in trying to manipulate our elections. Just imagine the Chinese or some other "enemy" nation sending someone across our borders, have the do great things for 20 years, and then fund the heck out of his campaign secretly? Sure, it sounds like black helicopter crap now, but you find it completely out of the realm of possibility with such a change in our election process?

- Arkans

As long as were throwing out theories like this why not just have 2 chinese parents or whatever parents give birth in the states making them legal to run then wait until hes legal to run!

While possible, I think that sort of thing is less likely to happen. Remember, this isn't the only reason to allow immigrants the ability to run our country.

- Arkans

[Sean]

Originally posted by Arkans
While possible, I think that sort of thing is less likely to happen. Remember, this isn't the only reason to allow immigrants the ability to run our country.

- Arkans

Under the current legistlation it's much more likely to happen...

of course its a given that your scenario can't happen under current legislation.

[Chelle]

Originally posted by Arkans
Chelle, think of the future ramifications of this. A President that is born in Israel is elected and next think you know, we have boots on the ground in the new settlments. Soldiers dying everday.

A President that is born in China and comes here. Next think you know, he's advocating for actions against Taiwan and passes economic boosts to the Chinese economy.

A President from any of the countries from the EU. Now, policies are passed that strongly favor the EU and their economic practices and our foreign policy shadows their.

Even worse, a President born in say a country such as Iran. Now, we have an extreme Islamic based President with those ideals. No thanks. Not everyone is as great as Arnold is. In fact, he is in the extreme minority.

- Arkans

That would never happen.

Trust me I understand what you're meaning, but the foreign born person would need to pass some heavy requrements like being a citizen for 20 years, have experience in holding a governmental office already. Those are heavy requirements there. The person would have to prove themselves abundantly. I think Arnold has.

So as long as the person is born here then he/she gets to run? Sooo, by the logic you use above, that I highlighted. What if the American born person has Iraqi parents who just came to America so their son could be President because Iraqis want to take over America. Nah, it just doesn't fly.

If you think about it though technically we are all from some other country, by blood at least. I am German, Scottish, and Brittish, and Choctaw. My Grandmother is full blood German. My dad was born in Berlin. America is already a melting pot. So what does it matter if the person works hard, proves themselves, has experience, and is elected by the whole Nation?

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Arkans
A plethora of laws would need to be passed, not just the 20 year rule. What if a canidate had the backing of another country? Imagine the election funding for instance. Even if the laws are passed there would still be plenty of loopholes for foreign funding to infiltrate our politics. It's great in theory, but definatly not in reality.

- Arkans

You are talking apples and oranges now. If it was a foreign born individual running for office, they would still be governed by the current election laws just like all candidates. Where they were born has zero to do with who could be funding them.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Arkans
Chelle, think of the future ramifications of this. A President that is born in Israel is elected and next think you know, we have boots on the ground in the new settlments. Soldiers dying everday.

A President that is born in China and comes here. Next think you know, he's advocating for actions against Taiwan and passes economic boosts to the Chinese economy.

A President from any of the countries from the EU. Now, policies are passed that strongly favor the EU and their economic practices and our foreign policy shadows their.

Even worse, a President born in say a country such as Iran. Now, we have an extreme Islamic based President with those ideals. No thanks. Not everyone is as great as Arnold is. In fact, he is in the extreme minority.

- Arkans

Regardless of where they come from, you are completely missing one key.. we would still have to elect them. I highly doubt we would elect any of those individuals you mentioned. Sure they could run for President.. hell, Nader did. Doesn't mean they would have a chance of winning.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Arkans
What if a canidate had the backing of another country?Uh, are you being ironic, or do you not remember Tsa`ah's avatar?